Official Star Wars Thread - May the force be with you

[Pob]

On 23/09/2021 at 15:44, Matt Defis said:

They won't be going post the "Skywalker saga" everything points to them going about 400 years before that, I'm still crossing my fingers for a Bane or Revan trilogy.

Rogue Squadron is supposedly set after TROS but I guess everything is subject to change. They announced that film with the flashy Patty Jenkins teaser about five seconds before WW84 flopped hard.

[womblingfree]

My 3 year old son, like Malcolm Tucker, thinks all Star Wars is Lego. He saw a picture from the Phantom Menace and proclaimed “Lego!”.

 

Tried him on the Freemaker Adventures and he just said, “Don’t like it. Want the Rey one!”.

 

Good boy.

[Stoppy2000]

The only character from the new trilogy I'd like to see return would be Rey. Not sure how they'd be able to craft a decent story for it to happen though. Maybe they'll just start making it without one. 

[womblingfree]

3 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

The only character from the new trilogy I'd like to see return would be Rey. Not sure how they'd be able to craft a decent story for it to happen though. Maybe they'll just start making it without one. 

Kids love Rey, Kylo and BB8. Not sure many could name any others, although the whole cast do appear in Lego cartoons pretty often. So does Cara Dune, which is odd considering she’s persona non grata for all live action stuff. I guess Lego figures don’t post on Twitter.

[drmick]

I found all of the new cast very boring. Ade Edmondsen's character only got like three lines and was far more interesting. 

[Hanzo the Razor]

On 24/09/2021 at 09:40, Mogster said:

I doubt Boyega will be back. I think he said something a while ago along the lines of not wanting anything to do with Star Wars going forwards.

 

Star Wars probably wants nothing to do with him going forwards. He was OK in Force Awakens but after that he was rank rotten.

[Harsin]

Hardly his fault, you can place that one firmly on the directors/screenwriters.

[K]

He was great in the Last Jedi. 

[JPL]

1 minute ago, K said:

He was great in the Last Jedi. 

Is that the one where he's the comedy foil, stumbling around with liquid pouring out of pipes? Classic.

[BitterToad]

6 minutes ago, JPL said:

Is that the one where he's the comedy foil, stumbling around with liquid pouring out of pipes? Classic.

No it's the one where he learns that basing your entire life on protecting yourself and the people around you isn't what makes a hero and isn't what wins a resistance. He starts off having already cast aside his life as a storm trooper in The Force Awakens. The Last Jedi builds on this. We see Finn start as a complicated character that wants to do good but ultimately not at the expense of his friend Rey. There's still a selfishness there. So we see him decide to essentially try to fuck the entire resistance plan by running to warn Rey at the start of the movie. Over the course of the film he visits Canto Blight and sees the bad that the first order are doing and he grows as a character, leading to him casting aside the selfishness that was left and trying to make a big bold sacrifice at the end of the movie. But it's Rose, the character who called him selfish in the first place, that saves him and stops his sacrifice because she's changed too! The characters have grown! They learn that life's more complicated than a light side and a dark side and that also happens to feed in with the core point of the movie and remain true to the characters we met at the start! 

 

But he absolutely did have pipes with liquid in at one point so really good spot there.

[JPL]

7 minutes ago, BitterToad said:

No it's the one where he learns that basing your entire life on protecting yourself and the people around you isn't what makes a hero and isn't what wins a resistance. He starts off having already cast aside his life as a storm trooper in The Force Awakens. The Last Jedi builds on this. We see Finn start as a complicated character that wants to do good but ultimately not at the expense of his friend Rey. There's still a selfishness there. So we see him decide to essentially try to fuck the entire resistance plan by running to warn Rey at the start of the movie. Over the course of the film he visits Canto Blight and sees the bad that the first order are doing and he grows as a character, leading to him casting aside the selfishness that was left and trying to make a big bold sacrifice at the end of the movie. But it's Rose, the character who called him selfish in the first place, that saves him and stops his sacrifice because she's changed too! The characters have grown! They learn that life's more complicated than a light side and a dark side and that also happens to feed in with the core point of the movie and remain true to the characters we met at the start! 

 

But he absolutely did have pipes with liquid in at one point so really good spot there.

Thanks. I can only remember the comedy pipes bit. Oh, and the reveal that it’s not really a spaceship landing. It’s an iron! Those subversive bastards nearly had me there!

[Uncle Mike]

If we promise to get "Didn't like The Last Jedi" etched on a local park bench in your memory when you die, do you think you might be able to give it a rest for a while? I'll stump up for an RDR2 one too if you like.

[BitterToad]

33 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

If we promise to get "Didn't like The Last Jedi" etched on a local park bench in your memory when you die, do you think you might be able to give it a rest for a while? I'll stump up for an RDR2 one too if you like.

Oh I don’t know I like that we do this back and forth once every few months. He posts the same point, we respond with the same point. Just the same thing again and again and again. Sort of like what @JPL wants from Star Wars. 

[JPL]

56 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

If we promise to get "Loved The Last Jedi" etched on a local park bench in your memory when you die, do you think you might be able to give it a rest for a while? I'll stump up for an RDR2 one too if you like.

 

[JPL]

6 minutes ago, BitterToad said:

Oh I don’t know I like that we do this back and forth once every few months. He posts the same point, we respond with the same point. Just the same thing again and again and again. Sort of like what @JPL wants from Star Wars. 

I don't honestly know what I want. I'd love them to try different things, but they didn't really do that with the latest trilogy. It felt like a poor retread, admittedly with some different elements, of the original trilogy. Hopefully we'll get to a point where all us Star Wars fans are happy with what they come up with.

 

In the meantime, I've got as much right to post of my dislike of it as you lot have on how much you like it. It's only a bit of fun anyway, isn't it? Nobody's really that bothered about a Star Wars film, are they?

[Nick R]

16 minutes ago, JPL said:

Nobody's really that bothered about a Star Wars film, are they?

 

Not compared to Star Trek films, no.

[kensei]

I love this so much.

 

 

[IcEBuRN]

I haven't piped up for a while. So you can all have my "The last Jedi was Shit" comment. It was shit and ruined the trilogy. Not that the Force Awakens was particularly amazing, but it didn't take a shit on everything before it.

 

So there!

 

[Harsin]

Am I special because I think Force Awakens and Last Jedi were just different shades of mediocre and Rise of Skywalker was actively bad.

[IcEBuRN]

2 hours ago, Harsin said:

Am I special because I think Force Awakens and Last Jedi were just different shades of mediocre and Rise of Skywalker was actively bad.

Not so much. It's just the last jedi left it nowhere to go. Kill the most powerful Jedi hermit Luke Skywalker, kill the main villain. Make the lead have no origin, but just have all the power without training. Yeah, even Adam Driver can't save that mess.

[Hanzo the Razor]

On 25/09/2021 at 11:16, BitterToad said:

No it's the one where he learns that basing your entire life on protecting yourself and the people around you isn't what makes a hero and isn't what wins a resistance. He starts off having already cast aside his life as a storm trooper in The Force Awakens. The Last Jedi builds on this. We see Finn start as a complicated character that wants to do good but ultimately not at the expense of his friend Rey. There's still a selfishness there. So we see him decide to essentially try to fuck the entire resistance plan by running to warn Rey at the start of the movie. Over the course of the film he visits Canto Blight and sees the bad that the first order are doing and he grows as a character, leading to him casting aside the selfishness that was left and trying to make a big bold sacrifice at the end of the movie. But it's Rose, the character who called him selfish in the first place, that saves him and stops his sacrifice because she's changed too! The characters have grown! They learn that life's more complicated than a light side and a dark side and that also happens to feed in with the core point of the movie and remain true to the characters we met at the start! 

 

 

[womblingfree]

On 26/09/2021 at 16:50, IcEBuRN said:

Not so much. It's just the last jedi left it nowhere to go. Kill the most powerful Jedi hermit Luke Skywalker, kill the main villain. Make the lead have no origin, but just have all the power without training. Yeah, even Adam Driver can't save that mess.

The Last Jedi gifted the franchise multiple directions to go in: The Force as a connection to anyone regardless of lineage, Rey and Kylo connected as two parts of a single power and morally ambiguous, which led into the Light-side Jedi and their texts being archaic nonsense and Snoke’s all baddie Dark side being ultimately weak and ridiculous. Etc.It created a universe free to move on from endlessly repeating itself.

 

The Rise of Skywalker just abandoned the lot and decided to just reprise the same goodie/baddie schtick they’ve been doing for fifty years.

 

I don’t hate RoS as much as I did as it’s led to some great retconning in various books, comics and probably Mando as well. Much like Clone Wars did to salvage the Prequels. Going back to it after ingesting a lot more back story makes it a better film. And no, having to read books and comics to make a movie decent is not a great way to go about things, but that’s pretty much been the Star Wars pattern since the Prequels.

 

Colin Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fate script which was to be the last movie until he got fired, manages to be a direct sequel to TLJ and also wraps up the entire saga really well. You can read and listen to it here if you’re interested in what might have been.

 

https://mega.nz/#!MegFDK7Y!dK6dhZsRXTmIgZ39l9719Macz1TQCZQtlhSCz0EdmOI
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/duel-of-the-fates/id1509836398?i=1000484628619

There’s even a comic.

 

http://awinegarner.squarespace.com/duel-of-the-fates

 

 

[RubberJohnny]

Duel of the Fates wasn't any better than what we got, and I'm confused why people keep treating it as if it's different when it's literally an earlier revision that's 80% the same script as RotS, there's just a different ancient new sith lord rather than Palps and kylo is a villain (both of which we know was a change from KK in between revisions). It has the same clunky fanservice bits (Chewie's medal), the same absence of character arcs for anyone but Rey, the another daft superweapon, the same absense of any sort of percievable themes for the trilogy as a whole. That's it.

I think Rey should have joined Adam Driver at the climax of TLJ, you immediately shift away from the status quo that we've seen before (a problem with all these films) and set up the heroes arc for the final chapter, with Finn and co having to try and get her back. "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" would make a really good villain motivation too, but then she says no and everyone ends up back where they were.

[kensei]

Yes, Rey should have joined Adam Driver but The Last Jedi didn't actually have the courage of any of its convictions.

 

The Light Side and Dark Side are not too halves of the same whole. This is the type of nonsense that leads to Grey Jedi, which everywhere and always are a terrible idea.

 

The light is balance. The dark side is deviation from it. And it's easy to deviate. The Force should be a bit scary - great power, but constant temptation that could easily make you a monster. 

 

Part of the tension in TESB and ROTJ isn't just that Luke could be beaten, it's that he could succumb to temptation. It's a bit nebulous, but we know the dark side is seductive. Some sort of grey or middle path fundamentally undermines all that. Any use of the dark side should come with a cost.

[womblingfree]

Light and dark, goodies and baddies. It’s so bloody boring. Boba Fett, Mando and Ahsoka are all morally dubious, and also the best thing to happen to Star Wars since 1983.

[kensei]

Ahsoka is not morally dubious!

[womblingfree]

1 hour ago, kensei said:

Ahsoka is not morally dubious!

But she does turn her back on the Jedi Order and thinks they’re a bunch of toss-pots. Heresy! A non-Jedi Jedi nomad, free from the cloistered rules and the closest thing to a grey-Jedi I can think of. A ronin basically. And what I always thought the Jedi would be growing up. So yeah, not really a blend of good and evil, but good with free-will to shape their own destiny.

Shame TLJ never followed through with an alliance between light and dark. Oh well, with the amount of content Disney will have to churn out over the years I guess it’s inevitable some day.

 

 

[Matt Defis]

The Jedi are the morally dubious ones when it comes to Ahsoka, that entire arc shows just how far they've fallen.

[kensei]

Ashoka is a better Jedi than the Jedi which is why she leaves.

 

I should be more specific. I don't think there shouldn't be morally grey characters in Star Wars,l. 

 

I just hate the idea of grey Jedi as "something in between light and dark". The originals said give in, and it'd forever dominate your destiny. I think that gives a real edge you don't want to lose.

 

If a grey Jedi is someone who used the Dark Side and now has to live with some terrible cost even just to evade becoming a monster, I think that could work. I just really dislike someone chucking force lightening about but for good, or the some sort thing that's oh, like, you can balance them isn't that great.  The latter just seems so lazy aside from anything else.

[Matt Defis]

Isn't a Grey force user just someone that uses the force for personal gain,  I always thought light was selfless, grey is selfish and dark was dominating. 

 

It's all been wiped away now anyway.