Official Star Wars Thread - May the force be with you

[Don Rosco]

I think this is good summation of why I like TLJ Luke so much. Comes in at a pretty dense 13 minutes:

 

 

[Jg15]

32 minutes ago, JPL said:

I absolutely hated the portrayal of Luke in TLJ as well, but as far as I’m aware I don’t have a neckbeard. As for being an idiot, well that’s another matter!

I personally enjoyed his portrayal in Last Jedi, by far the best thing in that entire movie, however I would love to see his journey to that point.

 

I'm sure we will get the full story told on screen some day. I would take a Young Luke TV show done in an Indiana Jones style (perhaps with Doc Aphra) hunting down rare/dangerous force relics in a kind of Jesse Faden Control kind of way. Its also obvious that the new Jedi Order he creates is a lot later in the timeline and far less established than the one we get in Legends.

[Darren]

3 minutes ago, Jg15 said:

I would take a Young Luke TV show done in an Indiana Jones style (perhaps with Doc Aphra) hunting down rare/dangerous force relics in a kind of Jesse Faden Control kind of way.

 

Oooooh.

[JPL]

12 minutes ago, Don Rosco said:

I think this is good summation of why I like TLJ Luke so much. Comes in at a pretty dense 13 minutes:

 

 

Oh god, I forgot about the blue milk thing and his wink to camera. Terrible. I liked Laura Dern’s hair colour though.

[Kevvy Metal]

30 minutes ago, JPL said:

Oh god, I forgot about the blue milk thing and his wink to camera. Terrible. I liked Laura Dern’s hair colour though.

 

He's not winking to the camera, he makes a gesture to Rey that reads "Good hearty stuff this green milk!" as he's being stubborn as it's probably disgusting, and it ties in with his character who is at that moment being stubborn.

 

Made his bed on a crappy island, milking alien-boobs and he's going to lie in it. 

[JPL]

1 minute ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

He's not winking to the camera, he makes a gesture to Rey that reads "Good hearty stuff this green milk!" as he's being stubborn as it's probably disgusting, and it ties in with his character who is at that moment being stubborn.

 

Made his bed on a crappy island, milking alien-boobs and he's going to lie in it. 

He used to love that stuff back when he lived with uncle Owen and aunt Beru.

[Festoon]

2 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

He's not winking to the camera, he makes a gesture to Rey that reads "Good hearty stuff this green milk!" as he's being stubborn as it's probably disgusting, and it ties in with his character who is at that moment being stubborn.

 

Made his bed on a crappy island, milking alien-boobs and he's going to lie in it. 

 

It's just like the 'crazy Yoda' intro. Star Wars fans are unusual.

[Kevvy Metal]

3 minutes ago, JPL said:

He used to love that stuff back when he lived with uncle Owen and aunt Beru.

 

That's blue milk he guzzled down on Tatoonie, this is green milk! Whole different thing

[Phantoon]

I love Last Jedi Luke. While he partly exists because JJ is incapable of planning beyond the film he's currently making and had no explanation for why Luke would just create a new Dark Lord and promptly bugger off leaving everyone else to deal with it, I see TLJ Luke as a really believable development of his character.

 

He was always idealistic but the fact that he very nearly turned to the dark side, followed by him completely failing and his nephew turning evil and killing everyone made him think the galaxy was better off without Skywalkers.

 

Firstly, Jedi aren't superheroes, they're monks. And self-doubt has always been part of his character "I don't believe it" "That is why you fail". People who want Jedi to do some stupid Dragonball Z stuff don't understand Star Wars at all.

[Matt Defis]

7 hours ago, Jg15 said:

 

I 100% agree. As someone who read all the books and comics released in the 90's to get a constant fix of Star Wars (especially during those empty years before the Prequels) this current time period is unbelievable. 

 

25 years ago, If you had told me we would have a Sequel trilogy, Standalone films, several live action TV shows in the works and books and comics that are considered  canon I wouldn't have believed it!

 

They just need to make KotOR canon now (hopefully the Remake does just that).

 

Parts of it already are Canon, Revan is definitely canon at this point. 

[Phantoon]

There were references to a plot point from KotOR in the Book of Boba Fett last week too

[Unofficial Who]

2 hours ago, Phantoon said:

I love Last Jedi Luke. While he partly exists because JJ is incapable of planning beyond the film he's currently making and had no explanation for why Luke would just create a new Dark Lord and promptly bugger off leaving everyone else to deal with it, I see TLJ Luke as a really believable development of his character.

 

He was always idealistic but the fact that he very nearly turned to the dark side, followed by him completely failing and his nephew turning evil and killing everyone made him think the galaxy was better off without Skywalkers.

 

Firstly, Jedi aren't superheroes, they're monks. And self-doubt has always been part of his character "I don't believe it" "That is why you fail". People who want Jedi to do some stupid Dragonball Z stuff don't understand Star Wars at all.

 

Was talking about this with my partner last night and she said "What did they expect would happen to Luke? Look at Yoda, important figure in the Jedi republic, ends up in a hut on a shitty swamp planet. Or Obi Wan, another important Republic hero, ends up in a hut on a shitty desert planet. There's always been that pattern and yet everyone is surprised Luke ended up in a hut on a shitty rainy planet. Only the weather changes."

 

I guess I still love the Luke story arc in TLJ because it reminds me of the story arc in Ursula Le Quin's Earthsea books where the most powerful wizard on the islands turns his back on being an arch mage and returns to fishing.

[Unofficial Who]

5 hours ago, Talvalin said:

 

Perhaps because those complete arseholes who harassed members of the cast and the films' creators do actually exist, and furthermore did get really worked up over a trilogy of sci-fi films?

 

I guess the additional bit that gets me is

 

-those arseholes got what they wanted from Sony (Answer the Call is not Ghostbusters cannon, has been ignored in recent promotional material where even the Ghostbusters cartoons are included)

-those arseholes got their wish in the Rian trilogy being cancelled

-those arseholes harassed certain cast members so much it's unlikely they'll ever return to the franchise in much the same way the cast of Answer the Call will probably never want to be involved in any sci fi projects ever again.

 

And as we've seen here it makes discussion of the films difficult because there are posters here that have legit reasons for not liking the new trilogy. That they have to spend time telling us that their reasons are genuine is another way the toxic element in fandom affects us even here and it sucks. We should just be able to take on face value why posters here hate the new trilogy without lumping them in with the other group.

 

Ten years back I would have laughed at the idea of a large film studio throwing away millions of dollars and years of hard work to do a redo to appease a vocal segment of fandom but here we are.

[JPL]

These people you talk of may be arseholes, but Answer The Call was really poor and I can’t say I’m particularly bothered that Rian Johnson’s trilogy got cancelled.

 

The harassment of any actors (I seem to recall Kelly Marie Tran getting a lot of hassle) is way too far though. They’re just bits of throwaway entertainment at the end of the day, so I really struggle to understand why anyone would let it affect them to that degree.

[kensei]

24 minutes ago, Unofficial Who said:

 

Was talking about this with my partner last night and she said "What did they expect would happen to Luke? Look at Yoda, important figure in the Jedi republic, ends up in a hut on a shitty swamp planet. Or Obi Wan, another important Republic hero, ends up in a hut on a shitty desert planet. There's always been that pattern and yet everyone is surprised Luke ended up in a hut on a shitty rainy planet. Only the weather changes."

 

I guess I still love the Luke story arc in TLJ because it reminds me of the story arc in Ursula Le Quin's Earthsea books where the most powerful wizard on the islands turns his back on being an arch mage and returns to fishing.

 

I expected Luke to never give up. To have went away because he was looking for another answer. But still convinced he could find one.

 

Luke had completed his arc in ROTJ. If you want to take him on a new one, you have to show it. Not land it on an audience waiting 30 years for it.

[Festoon]

1 hour ago, kensei said:

 

I expected Luke to never give up. To have went away because he was looking for another answer. But still convinced he could find one.

 

Luke had completed his arc in ROTJ. If you want to take him on a new one, you have to show it. Not land it on an audience waiting 30 years for it.

 

Er, they did, from disillusionment to redemption. As per the histories.

 

Or would you rather an Arthurian fall from grace?

[monkeydog]

1 hour ago, Unofficial Who said:

I guess I still love the Luke story arc in TLJ because it reminds me of the story arc in Ursula Le Quin's Earthsea books where the most powerful wizard on the islands turns his back on being an arch mage and returns to fishing.

 

I never thought of that comparison.  I guess that's why it resonated with me as well.  It's tonally very similar to Ged.

[Phantoon]

Well put Unofficial Who.

 

I'm always a bit confused by the charge that the sequel trilogy undoes the wins of the original films. I'll concede that Rise of Skywalker completely messes up Vader's sacrifice as apparently blowing somebody up, then blowing up the place he blew up in is now no longer enough to kill someone (apparently), but thirty years of peace not under the Emperor's heel isn't nothing.

 

Edit: also the moral of The Last Jedi isn't that you should let the past die. The main villain said that, and even he doesn't do it. Instead, it's about accepting the past, even the bits that hurt, and to learn from them and move beyond them. To pick yourself up after failure, because that's the only real option.

[Don Rosco]

3 hours ago, Unofficial Who said:

Ten years back I would have laughed at the idea of a large film studio throwing away millions of dollars and years of hard work to do a redo to appease a vocal segment of fandom but here we are.

We’re not actually “here” though. That site you linked to is just lying for clicks. It has a reputation for it. 

[Phantoon]

3 hours ago, JPL said:

These people you talk of may be arseholes, but Answer The Call was really poor and I can’t say I’m particularly bothered that Rian Johnson’s trilogy got cancelled.

 

The harassment of any actors (I seem to recall Kelly Marie Tran getting a lot of hassle) is way too far though. They’re just bits of throwaway entertainment at the end of the day, so I really struggle to understand why anyone would let it affect them to that degree.

Answer The Call was a real cock up. The talent was certainly there but they managed to make a film that few people wanted.

 

I really hope Rian Johnson's trilogy isn't really cancelled, although if the Knives Out films are as big as the original he may be able to do whatever he wants after that. The delay to get started might kill the trilogy, and if I were a reliable director I wouldn't be in a hurry to go near Star Wars after Rian and JJ showed two different ways it can go horribly wrong. It shows that "fan" used to be short for "fanatic" and for some it still is.

[Unofficial Who]

2 hours ago, Phantoon said:

 

I really hope Rian Johnson's trilogy isn't really cancelled, although if the Knives Out films are as big as the original he may be able to do whatever he wants after that. The delay to get started might kill the trilogy, and if I were a reliable director I wouldn't be in a hurry to go near Star Wars after Rian and JJ showed two different ways it can go horribly wrong. It shows that "fan" used to be short for "fanatic" and for some it still is.

 

It has been cancelled.

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/patty-jenkins-rian-johnson-shelved-star-wars-projects-creative-differences

 

As I said in https://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?/topic/309456-rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-cancelled/page/9/

 

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I say this as a massive fan of The Last Jedi. I mean if you were him you've got the choice of spending the next decade

 

-Tied to making Star Wars films with all the creative restrictions that entails knowing that whatever he does there will be some who will even before the next showing have their "Knives Out".

 

-Make movies for the fans you've attracted with your mystery movies where you have viewers who want you to subvert expectations.

 

Dead easy choice and it seems that Disney is moving away from movies for Star Wars and more towards TV series where they can keep attracting subscriptions.

 

[Unofficial Who]

6 hours ago, monkeydog said:

 

I never thought of that comparison.  I guess that's why it resonated with me as well.  It's tonally very similar to Ged.

 

Thinking about it even more The Last Jedi is like The Tombs of Atuan where they take the main character from the original book and make him a side character. See also Metal Gear Solid 2. It's a brave creative choice but it's one with risks when you have a large part of your audience identify with that main character. (Also everyone, go read the Earthsea books, they're great.)

[Matt Defis]

I was quite looking forward to a Rogue Squadron movie. 

[Phantoon]

10 minutes ago, Matt Defis said:

I was quite looking forward to a Rogue Squadron movie. 

Yeah, although it'd work really well as a TV series. New canon has buggered it up, but Stackpole's stories would have been perfect for that.

 

I need to point out here that if these reports are correct then neither Rogue Squadron or Rian Johnson's films are cancelled - they're shelved. That means they could still show up after other projects are completed. It's not likely now, but it's not impossible.

[Unofficial Who]

55 minutes ago, Phantoon said:

Yeah, although it'd work really well as a TV series. New canon has buggered it up, but Stackpole's stories would have been perfect for that.

 

I need to point out here that if these reports are correct then neither Rogue Squadron or Rian Johnson's films are cancelled - they're shelved. That means they could still show up after other projects are completed. It's not likely now, but it's not impossible.

 

I think Rian has two more Knives Out sequels lined up among other projects so it's not something he'll come back to soon.

[K]

Rather than having Luke be some fallible, relatable, relatively complicated character, surely it would have been more satisfying if the reason he'd been gone for so long was because he'd been stuck in a crevice for ten years? Then he could spring into action immediately with his force powers, as befits a master Jedi who has unlocked all the abilities and maxed out his skill points.

[gone fishin]

I think it’s funny that these Star Wars threads just get filled with the same people arguing how good The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker were.

 

A good gauge of how good they were is to ask some 10 year olds. I can tell you my son has never re-watched The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker (in fact he says he hates how they’ve turned Like into some grumpy old man). Yet he even re-watches the prequels and loves The Mandalorian and the Book of Bobba Fett.

 

Because after all, these are supposed to be films aimed for kids. Sure, adults can enjoy them, but they’re kids films. And no kid wants to buy a toy of some grumpy old space tramp.

[Pob]

Rise of Skywalker is my son's favourite Star Wars film, probably because it's the only one he saw at the cinema, and because he really likes Palpatine. I agree that TLJ doesn't seem very kid-friendly. I don't think he likes that one very much.

[K]

My son fucking LOVED Rise of Skywalker. The Last Jedi was a bit long for him. But at the same time he also thinks that Johnny Test is better than Pingu, so ultimately, I think I'm better placed to judge what constitutes a good film.

[Kevvy Metal]

Maybe we should poll a group of 10-years to find out if the sequel trilogy is good or not?