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The prices for RSD are eye watering. Does it even serve its purpose anymore? A friend went to his local store today and was speaking to the owner who said that he’s still paying off the deficit from buying in stock for the June RSD. 
 

Independent label market in London is more my thing. Get to chat to the labels, even some artists, there’s always a good deal to be found and had a good vibe. There’s still a smaller one in Carnaby St tomorrow. 
 

https://independentlabelmarket.com
 

You get to support labels and artists and I always discover something new each time. 

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2 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

The prices for RSD are eye watering. Does it even serve its purpose anymore? A friend went to his local store today and was speaking to the owner who said that he’s still paying off the deficit from buying in stock for the June RSD. 
 

Independent label market in London is more my thing. Get to chat to the labels, even some artists, there’s always a good deal to be found and had a good vibe. There’s still a smaller one in Carnaby St tomorrow. 
 

https://independentlabelmarket.com
 

You get to support labels and artists and I always discover something new each time. 

 

I'm sure stores would be better off if they had exclusives all year round, and you could do a preorder via that store to reduce the amount of shit they press up and can't shift because the prices are ridiculous.

 

I think the original point of RSD was to encourage people into your store to buy an RSD release or two, and also buy something else they have in stock and browse around a bit. What seems to happen is people show up, buy RSD releases and fuck off for another year.

 

RSD has to be congratulated for how much money it's will to push it for some 7" Bowie picture disc single though. Last one was about £16 IIRC

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1 hour ago, englishbob said:

 

I'm sure stores would be better off if they had exclusives all year round, and you could do a preorder via that store to reduce the amount of shit they press up and can't shift because the prices are ridiculous.

 

I think the original point of RSD was to encourage people into your store to buy an RSD release or two, and also buy something else they have in stock and browse around a bit. What seems to happen is people show up, buy RSD releases and fuck off for another year.

 

RSD has to be congratulated for how much money it's will to push it for some 7" Bowie picture disc single though. Last one was about £16 IIRC


See my previous post re vinyl prices and how they’re all going up across the board…and shops do have exclusives every week all year round now. Oddly the strange thing is that there are more “standard” releases on black vinyl every week which are in lower print runs than some RSD stuff so arguably “more collectable” but funny how so many collectors don’t see it that way.

 

And if a shop has miscalculated on the  June drop they may we’ll still be paying it off, but most I’ve been to have only had a box or so left from loads…so some get it right, some still think it’s a licence to print money and can’t see the market is getting more selective.

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11 hours ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

My vinyl purchasing has slowed down massively lately, but did pick this up at RSD part two this morning. The shop was practically empty, might go back later and grab the Beastie Boys release.

 

Just in case you didn't go back for the Beasties release, these guys have it in stock:

 

https://driftrecords.com/products/beastie-boys-aglio-e-olio

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jul/16/pressing-issues-vinyl-revival-held-back-record-store-day

 

There are other components to the crisis. First is the small number of active factories, a legacy problem from the 1990s, when many labels pulled out of vinyl production. As pressing plants closed or streamlined, experienced staff left the industry, and a recruitment lag means there are not enough qualified people to go around. “These are skilled operators that need to be brought back,” says Bell. “[Vinyl production] is a craft and a science, a specialised skill set.”

 

Just like every other industry they want to recruit/poach someone already skilled at these jobs from somewhere else, rather than hire/train/promote from within.

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Record Store Day seems to have peaked and takes up a massive chunk of manufacturing too. All these limited editions by huge (and often dead) artists on major labels clogs everything up. You see comments from indy labels (Castles in Space for example) who can't get stuff pressed in a reasonable timescale because David Bowie's estate need the $$$ from yet another picture disc. Without new sales, these labels will struggle, I'm sure the Bowie estate doesn't need any more money.

 

I wonder how much of the capacity of these plants is taken up with completely pointless represses of albums that have had tens and tens of years of sales? Rumours by Fleetwood Mac seems to get the resissue treatment every few months, HMV do their limited editions which are the same old shit in a different colour and even Amazon are getting on the vinyl subscription "classic album " service. Cue a shedload of copies of Dark Side of the Moon being made yet again.

 

One thing that I noticed this year was that a lot of the RSD stores were posting comments by mid morning Saturday to say that the queues had gone and that they were back to normal trade. In previous years stores like Piccadilly Records were busy all day. A lot of these stores can't survive on one or two mad days a year, they need constant business and for that they need a constant supply of new products.

 

I really thing that RSD needs to start implementing rules, such as only one pressing by an artist per year, or how about a Record Store Day for new artists and independent labels? No represses allowed.

 

On a previous RSD, Peter Hook released 4 or 5 live albums in one hit. This year, Oneohtrix Point Never banged out 5 releases in a day. Neither of these sold out on the day - I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to release a large quantity of music but why not spread it out over the year so that other labels can get stuff made all year round?

 

If this old repress stuff sells (and it must or else they wouldn't make it) then maybe the real answer is for someone to invest in new manufacturing plants so that supply can keep up with demand?

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It’s been a problem for years since the big labels jumped on the vinyl bandwagon, it was always going to cause increased supply issues the more popular the format became. It’s a shame as it was independents and indie labels that kept the format alive and the plants still going when vinyl was ditched by the majors. When these stories cropped up ten years ago the solution was simple; major labels to put their money out and club together to invest in new plants, at the moment they are still happily riding the wave of vinyl revival without wanting to take the risk to ensure the long term productivity of the format.  Vinyl is synonymous with the independent music scene and is the reason for its renewed popularity, it will be sad to see it lose that connection.

 

Definitely agree that there should be more regulation on the amount of tat that’s released for RSD. Maybe a priority towards smaller labels, one releases per artist or a set amount per label in general or some kind of quality control. 

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Do we know the environmental impact of all this vinyl being produced? Have to assume a lot of the shite put out for RSD is going to end up as landfill eventually. 

 

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7 hours ago, Quest said:

Do we know the environmental impact of all this vinyl being produced? Have to assume a lot of the shite put out for RSD is going to end up as landfill eventually. 

 

 

Thankfully it's in smaller quantities worldwide against, say, the complete works of James Last

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19 hours ago, cubik said:

I wonder how much of the capacity of these plants is taken up with completely pointless represses of albums that have had tens and tens of years of sales? Rumours by Fleetwood Mac seems to get the resissue treatment every few months, HMV do their limited editions which are the same old shit in a different colour and even Amazon are getting on the vinyl subscription "classic album " service. Cue a shedload of copies of Dark Side of the Moon being made yet again.

 

 

Those two albums will always sell - its stuff like the recent reissue of Lionel Richie "Can't Slow Down" album that don't. I still see original copies of this floating about in charity shops and record fairs, usually fairly mint condition - can't even give it away for 50p - yet here is the recut/shitter sounding 180g pressing for £20+! 

 

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I suppose you can't blame some of the old guard for trying to jump on it and make some money out of old rope, but some records coming back in-print when an original is available for very small sum and in good condition seems daft. 

 

On the other side of it, in this month's Record Mirror magazine #521 - there is a good article on Eddy Grant - but this was a bizarre thing to read...

 

"A savvy businessman, Grant owns the rights and publishing to his entire back catalogue, from the Equals to the rare 32nd Turn Off LP (1969). As he believes the financial rewards shared by streaming sites like Spotify are too small, he has refrained from reissuing anything, even on vinyl. This means collectors still have to search for originals of everything"

 

What a strange approach to earn nothing at all from your back catalogue, apart from the odd TV ad and radio play

 

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49 minutes ago, ucci said:

The KLF are copying Eddy Grant! Rip off merchants. 

 

They've said they are out of ideas now, Spotify came first, I'm sure physical will follow fairly soon

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Question for the vinyl experts.

 

I bought a record a few months back in a sale. Only got around to playing it in the last few days, and there is a warp in it, the record rising at one side.

 

It plays and sounds fine, but is there any danger that it could damage my turntable in any way? Or am I safe enough to keep playing it?

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No, I wouldn't worry. I think it'd pretty much take the stylus totally bottoming out to the point where the cartridge was actually scraping along the record for there to be any danger. I guess theoretically if you just listened to that one record over and over again you might end up with uneven wear on the stylus but that's probably not a realistic scenario!

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On the increased vinyl pricing tip, I see the current hot topic is War On Drugs forthcoming album which will set you back around £38-£40 for a standard black or £43-£45 for a limited blue version.

 

I don’t think it comes with any “free” drugs. Bejesus.

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25 minutes ago, luth714 said:

On the increased vinyl pricing tip, I see the current hot topic is War On Drugs forthcoming album which will set you back around £38-£40 for a standard black or £43-£45 for a limited blue version.

 

I don’t think it comes with any “free” drugs. Bejesus.

Just checked that this evening as a retailer sent out an email with that price and I though they were taking the piss. Checked a couple of other sites and yes that’s the going rate. Absolute madness and far too expensive.

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Someone's On Drugs more like

 

A couple of labels / artist try this shit every so often, but I hope no one buys it. That price is certainly not the norm though.

 

Its like the Prince Estate's releases, always £30 for a single album when they are first released, but if you wait long enough the price comes down.

 

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40 minutes ago, luth714 said:

On the increased vinyl pricing tip, I see the current hot topic is War On Drugs forthcoming album which will set you back around £38-£40 for a standard black or £43-£45 for a limited blue version.

 

I don’t think it comes with any “free” drugs. Bejesus.

 

Love the fact they want to squeeze even more because it comes in blue. BLACK VINYL IS ALSO COLOURED VINYL

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17 minutes ago, englishbob said:

 

Love the fact they want to squeeze even more because it comes in blue. BLACK VINYL IS ALSO COLOURED VINYL

Yeah but cost of production is higher for more limited colour pressings. 

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Depeche Mode have been releasing 12” box sets over the last year or so. Their latest announcement is that the 8 disc set for the Ultra singles is £160. 
 

£20 per disc for rerelease 12” singles. As a lifelong fan I can honestly say that while Ultra is a great album and DM were known for great 12”s, these remixes were a bit pish and that pricing is bonkers. 


As the best song off the album says, It’s no good. 

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The best part is that QC has somehow managed to hit new depths pretty much across the board as well, probably fewer labels paying for extra care in the circumstances (with everyone trying to gazump everyone else, jump the queue etc.) and the plants rushing everything out even more.

 

Paying more for shoddier product is a super appealing combination.

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What about this I saw on Juno?

 

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I was about to buy it because I love those tracks, even though £22 is ridiculous for a 12”. But then I noticed it’s a 7” single! 
 

That is a piss take. A 7” should be £1.29 max.

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Just moved into a new flat and am annoyed to find how uneven the floors are. Finding it hard to set my turntable up on a level surface, it tilts forward a bit. Is it okay for a bit of an angle on a deck or does it have to be dead-level? 

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Is it not possible to stick a bit of card under somewhere to level it out? Not the most elegant solution but I have bits of folded paper in varying thicknesses under some of the legs of the unit mine's stood on.

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3 hours ago, ZOK said:

What about this I saw on Juno?

 

I was about to buy it because I love those tracks, even though £22 is ridiculous for a 12”. But then I noticed it’s a 7” single! 
 

That is a piss take. A 7” should be £1.29 max.

 

Juno is a mystery to be fair and they seem to employ some weird algorithms that dictate the prices. Unless you're absolutely desperate to own something right away, it's worth popping things in your wishlist and occasionally checking what they're currently selling at. I think I bought Mala's most recent album that was a 3 disc box set with a book and some sort of spiritual stick for you to burn for £10.99 when I'd ignored it at thirty notes or whatever. What factors effect the price is based on who knows what frankly.

 

Saying all of that, Japanese imports are always stupid money. There was a Ryo Fukui LP I was after that was forty-seven ninety fucking nine. It must have made its way here on a first class seat from Tokyo like Bono's cowboy hat. They were punting them out for £15 in every HMV you walked in when I visited!

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Yes, I suspected it might be worth doing something like that, I’ve noticed that alert service but I thought it was likely to be just more temptation.

 

I hate 7”s though, they just get lost in the record box.

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