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Burai

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It'll be interesting to see in 20 years time how much of those mp3s, roms etc are still around compared to Snes carts and arcade board.

Are you assuming that every single person/servers ROM collections will be simultaneously wiped somehow at exactly the same time? Because that's the only way you'd wipe all ROMs off the planet.

As long as we have emulation, we can still play these games, even if all the SNES batteries die or all the N64's break down, or CD's start to degrade (working for a company that distributes its product on CD, you'd be surprised how much we see that happening on old discs).

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Are you assuming that every single person/servers ROM collections will be simultaneously wiped somehow at exactly the same time? Because that's the only way you'd wipe all ROMs off the planet.

As long as we have emulation, we can still play these games, even if all the SNES batteries die or all the N64's break down, or CD's start to degrade (working for a company that distributes its product on CD, you'd be surprised how much we see that happening on old discs).

Do you really want an answer to that?

I'm talking in totally hypothetical terms to illustrate the fact that while it may appear to be true the assumption that digital information is somehow eternal is a bit of a leap of faith.

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If all digital media got wiped at once it would be due to a humungous nuclear fallout that envelopes the entire world. All the computers would be wiped. As would your PCBs and SNES carts.

And if we were in such a situation, I'd dare say we'd have better things to worry about than whether I could still play Super Mario Kart...

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Personally mp3's will last longer than anything else just because of the way they spread like a virus and can be stored on anything, they can be backed up onto tape, cd, minidisc, hard drive, video tape i could go on. Eventually snes carts will corrode and start to fail due to dry joins on the circuit board etc, while an mp3 can spread faster around the world than any solid state object can.

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Burai,

How am I supposed to respond to that?

By outlining a few of the "other ways that such media would become obselete and degrade faster than solid state electronics"?

Well take a look at all the obselete media and as a result lost records that there has already been in the short history of computing.

That's the first thing that came into my head not a nuclear winter fucking our day.

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Well take a look at all the obselete media and as a result lost records that there has already been in the short history of computing.

But isn't that exactly why we use ROMs then? To stop that from happening? By spreading the games everywhere, there's less chance of them being lost than there is with guys like you hoarding potentially degradeable PCB's.

There's still not a good dump of Model 2 Daytona USA out there. With the amount of use and popularity of the machine, there's a good chance it could never be dumped successfully. So when the last machine goes bang, then what? No more arcade Daytona for us.

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No, people use ROMs because they're free and for some people they're more practical.

Also, boards and roms are in less danger of being destroyed than CDR, DVDR, flash drives and magnetic discs.

I'm not sure there's any point in continuing this though...

I was just making a point that emulation isn't the saviour of old skool games and digital information isn't this magical ether of binary that will typically last forever when from my experiece digital data is limited by media and archiving isn't gonna save everything. It's not like your average joe will think to keep a copy of their roms forever.

Who's to say that in a few years people will care less and on their next hardware upgrade they won't transfer those roms? Who's to say in 20 year there'll be functioning hardware that will read CD Roms?

That's all I'm saying... we just don't know.

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The link takes you to the front page, click on XBOX CHIPPING! then down the bottom of that page is the link. I could do a direct link but i wana up my page views and get some money in for having the site there. Plus it also means you may investigate the rest of the site, such as mario porn, or why women cant read maps or maybe why sony are great.

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Also, boards and roms are in less danger of being destroyed than CDR, DVDR, flash drives and magnetic discs.

Well that's just wrong. A finite number of fragile PCBs (some of which, by your own admission, have a limited lifespan - e.g. a suicide chip) versus a potentially infinite number of generations of effectively free electronic duplicates.

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Because not everyone likes the same games as you, what about that neo geo football game that goes for thousands and only has a handful known to be left in the world. I cant just go out and buy it, id have to wait for someone to sell it, if they ever wanted to that is.

People dont always go for the good games, crap games to you are good to others.

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Yeah, they're "impossible" to find now in my local indy gaming shop, online and on the shelf along with the rest of the games I've bought over the years.

Why would anyone want every snes rom released? There's only between 70 and 100 good games on the machine at a push.

There's loads of reasons. For me; I design games for a living; I find an archive of old stuff VERY useful. Even shit games often have interesting content. Many of the games were *never* easily available.

Digital Archiving & Emulation has already extended the practical life of these games way beyond their original media.

How about speccy tapes. Try getting those to load now. Thanks to the magic of emulation (and a lot of hard work, most by enthusiasts) most the speccy library is pretty secure and readily available to all of us.

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DJ Sack,

Erm, it's pretty easy to find whatever old game you want... I dunno what my games preference has to do with it?

Are you saying that all those mah-jong and horse racing games that makes up most of the super famicom back catalogue are all worth it though?

Man, I can't believe this all started becasue I think older carts and whatnot will last longer than roms and stuff.

*shrug*

I've got other stuff to do than argue about something that isn't important ad nauseum.

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Yeah, they're "impossible" to find now in my local indy gaming shop, online and on the shelf along with the rest of the games I've bought over the years.

Why would anyone want every snes rom released? There's only between 70 and 100 good games on the machine at a push.

There's loads of reasons. For me; I design games for a living; I find an archive of old stuff VERY useful. Even shit games often have interesting content. Many of the games were *never* easily available.

Digital Archiving & Emulation has already extended the practical life of these games way beyond their original media.

How about speccy tapes. Try getting those to load now. Thanks to the magic of emulation (and a lot of hard work, most by enthusiasts) most the speccy library is pretty secure and readily available to all of us.

Well of course individuals will find such uses but what can I do but think of it from my point of view and generalise otherwise?

As I've said in my above post... I've think I'm done discussing it as I don't want this to go on forever... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. It's not that important.

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DJ Sack,

Erm, it's pretty easy to find whatever old game you want... I dunno what my games preference has to do with it?

Are you saying that all those mah-jong and horse racing games that makes up most of the super famicom back catalogue are all worth it though?

Man, I can't believe this all started becasue I think older carts and whatnot will last longer than roms and stuff.

*shrug*

I've got other stuff to do than argue about something that isn't important ad nauseum.

Well surely if they were released, someone, somewhere out there must like them.

If its so easy to find games for sale, fine me Pokemon mini tetris, as ive looked everywhere for it with no luck, and that was only released a year ago. If you do find it for sale that ships to the uk i will ignore everything i wrote and agree with you :lol:

But like i said, neo geo games, some are only available in single figures, now only say 7 people can buy them games, and what if i wanted to buy it along with all the others out there? Say your house burns down, you've lost all your games, yet with the net you could download the majority over a week.

Also your game preferences have a lot to do with it, the better games are normally popular, but crap games disappear without a trace, look at the mario game Stu found, no one had even heard of it till he found it on the net.

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Surely roms have a greater lifespan. If my PC got stolen lets say, I would have lost thousands and thousands of roms, but sooo many people out there have got them, they would not be difficult to replace. It would take some kick arse virus to wipe out every rom in existance. So I think its clear, roms will (and are) last forever.

(until the sun explodes I mean)

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Wow just tested it and its great, a brilliant interface which reminds me of Nintendos interfaces, just tried fzeroX which had many problems on pj64 and while it has some slight car texture problems polygons dont seem to go through each other anymore, and banjo kazooie seems to work perfectly from the demo that is playing, ive only tried it with the 1964 version so they may work better on the others. Oh and banjoy tooie has now loaded perfectly.

Each game has its own saving settings for controls and emu u use, brill!

Mario kart seems almost perfect, the video wall on the first track doesnt work however.

Oh and the best thing is each game has already been given a default of the emu that works the best with the game. GOLDENEYE WORKS!

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