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Agree about Drax having some great lines in Moonraker. A particular fave is: "James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season."

It also has some of John Barry's best work. The music as Drax's space station emerges from the gloom is awesome.

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Stop it, everyone. Moonraker is unassailably shit.

I don't think anyone would argue that it's vintage Bond, would they? It is pretty much an outer space remake of The Spy Who Loved Me. But if you move beyond the internet binary of "It's awesome!!" or "It's shit!!", there is some good stuff in there.

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Count me in for some Moonraker lurve. The opening with the shuttle theft is brilliant. And getting chucked out of a plane without a parachute!

I've got a lot of time for the Moore version of Bond. Grew up with him. Saw Spy as my first Bond film in the cinema. There is a sense of fun, not just in Moore's performance, but also in the villains. For example, the 2CV chase in For Your Eyes Only has the young bad guy driver laughing with Bond. It's playful. Same with Naomi in the helicpoter chase in Spy. I can't imagine that in a Craig film.

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To be honest I'd rather watch Moonraker or Die Another Day as despite being flawed/shite films I still find them incredibly fun to watch and extremely enjoyable. I'd take either of those over any of Craigs Bond films, even Casino Royale.

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Part of me reckons that if you strip away too much from Bond as well you find he's not actually that interesting. Casino Royale dug under his skin a bit in the right way, but I found Skyfall a wee bit tedious in that respect. It also feels like we haven't really seen the new Bond in 'normal' mode yet- just being Bond. Everything's a fucking crisis with this guy.

To be fair they do seem to have quite deliberately taken that approach to new bond, the idea that when you take away the job and all the training there is barely much of a man left there at all. Makes sense when you think about how the training/job works, plus it sounds like it should work when you also consider the ego and bravado he has the rest of the time. You have such a high opinion of yourself, then one day someone holds up a mirror and you realise you're a fucking robot. Horror.

Of course, if they're gonna go about his backstory in the way that's being discussed then that's just a waste of the opportunity. They might as well retcon it so that the M in 'M' stands for 'Mummy dearest'.

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Moonraker has those really jarring tonal shifts. It has some genuinely chilling scenes in the first half, the scene in which Drax sends the dogs after Dufour for example. But when that kempo master gets replaced by Jaws it turns into this campy, almost slapstick action film.

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For Your Eyes Only - Roger Moore tangles with a quite elderly lady who gets run over by a dune buggy, a jailbait ice-skater, and a leading lady with a moustache. All while wearing a gilet.

But the dune buggy murder leads to the best part, where he goes a bit Charles Bronson. The jailbait ice skater stuff is incredibly weird though. Even Bond is a bit uncomfortable with the whole thing.

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MWTGG is poor, but DAF is truly awful. I'm slowly getting through my blu Ray boxset with only the Craig movies left to go. The two that have improved for me on this rewatch are FYEO and TWINE, both of which I really enjoyed. Last time I watched them all I said QOS was the worst, I will be interested to see if my opinion has changed this time.

And Moonraker is brilliant. One of the best villains in Drax and some great action sequences. Some excellent sfx work to.

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what do you guys want? Bond stepping over deadly crocodiles?

Yes. On a loop. For two fucking hours.

I enjoyed Skyfall but everything I'm hearing about this is giving me the fear. The last time I was this unexcited about a new Bond film was before Die Another Day. I hope I'm proved wrong this time.

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The first trailer showed quite a lot of meetings and conference calls. Maybe Bond is going to do all his stuff from a desk in this film to aid with government cutbacks. We'll have to see him find out who used the last of the milk in the office without replacing it, figure out what the PIN for the group conference call is and spend a week working on a 40 slide presentation, in which, ultimately, no one is interested.

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