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It's definitely a weird film- I liked the opening but not too much after that although I quite enjoyed it's utterly schizophrenic tone and the way the plot just seemed to collapse a third of the way through. I thought it was better than Skyfall but I really didn't like Skyfall so so maybe that's not saying much. Daniel Craig's Bond is quite creepy and weird as well at times, it's the closest modern Bond has come to being an Austin Power film- some sequences were unintentionally comical, like Bellucci and Bond in her home- that felt like a Comic Relief sketch missing a punchline.

I know it's futile picking holes in a Bond plot but there was one thing I didn't really understand but maybe I missed something.

The hotel room. She said her father kept coming back here every year. And obviously he had his secret office in it. But how did he get into it? Did he need to knock down and rebuild the wall each time?

I'm guessing the hotel owners weren't in on it as they're renting out the room to anyone who comes along- maybe I missed something, but it just seemed utterly bizarre. There was no door. If it had been an apartment.. yeah, I could get that, but a hotel room..?

I mean there was another stuff like Q's analysis of the ring somehow identifying Christoph Waltz and, well, pretty much the last third, but the secret room in the hotel was one that stood out as bizarre.



There's an enjoyable Entertainment Weekly article on the Bond series in general and then it offers up a theory (which it admits is wrong) about what the last third of the film really is about, which is at least an interesting spin and one for fans of Brazil. But some of the insight into the series makes for a good read.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/10/spectre-ending

The Bond franchise is also a case study in zeitgeist overreaction. Part of the pleasures of loving Bond is how the franchise provides a pocket history of half a century of the blockbuster-movie as an art form and as an ongoing concern. You watch the ’70s become the ’80s around the outskirts of the Moore Bonds. You watch film styles come, go, return.

You need to excavate a little. A View to a Kill is an incredible Grace Jones delivery system, if you can wade through an hour of equestrian noir. You need to always remember that the geopolitics of the James Bond franchise is a load of hot nonsense. The Brosnan Bonds tell you nothing about the realities of the ’90s: The period when the Cold War quietly, gradually, suddenly shifted into the War on Terror. But the Brosnan Bonds tell you everything about our weird paranoid fantasies in the ’90s: media moguls and renegade Russians and the corporate-terrorist complex.

So Spectre is an overreaction to our current blockbuster moment. Like Quantum, it wants to be a serialized sequel. Like every superhero film, it wants to prove itself as a Saga.

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The hotel room. She said her father kept coming back here every year. And obviously he had his secret office in it. But how did he get into it? Did he need to knock down and rebuild the wall each time?

I'm guessing the hotel owners weren't in on it as they're renting out the room to anyone who comes along- maybe I missed something, but it just seemed utterly bizarre. There was no door. If it had been an apartment.. yeah, I could get that, but a hotel room..?

I mean there was another stuff like Q's analysis of the ring somehow identifying Christoph Waltz and, well, pretty much the last third, but the secret room in the hotel was one that stood out as bizarre.

The worst part about that was Bond saying "Of course!" when they walked in. I was waiting for him to follow it up with an explanation of why it made sense but then they didn't bother, probably because it didn't :lol:

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The worst part about that was Bond saying "Of course!" when they walked in. I was waiting for him to follow it up with an explanation of why it made sense but then they didn't bother, probably because it didn't :lol:

I guessed it was (not sure if it's really a spoiler)

the en suite bathroom as you could see the sink and I think the bath, but as above this makes even less sense it being a hotel! "Yes sir it is an en suite, what do you mean it isn't there?"

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I watched Licence to Kill last night. It's a very good 80s action film, but also Dalton's take on the character is more or less exactly what the Craig-Bond is supposed to be - an angry, ruthless, emotionally messed-up loose cannon, except he's a much better actor and doesn't seem perma-bored, so he doesn't come across as just being a bland tough guy as Craig generally does.

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Saw this yesterday. What a load of nonsense. It was like a rather dull remake of an old James Bond film that didn't realise the intervening five decades had ever happened.

Austin Powers without the jokes, irony, post-modernism, insight, set-pieces or characterisation. Q's wardrobe out-acted everyone on screen.

Casino Royale, imperfect as it is, seems like a masterpiece compared to all these other Craig outings.

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The worst part about that was Bond saying "Of course!" when they walked in. I was waiting for him to follow it up with an explanation of why it made sense but then they didn't bother, probably because it didn't :lol:

I took it more like

"Of course there's a secret room. This is spy stuff".

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See I would put spectre in a category with Jurassic world. I can read the criticism and nod along but in the end I enjoyed it.

Although that comment up there about bond destroying the enemy lair with a single bullet? Yeah that's not what happened

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So what actually happened? I mean it seemed like it was supposed to be a tongue in cheek nod at the franchises past, but he did just shoot a gas tap or something before the place blew up. It was laughable. I mean I think it was supposed to be funny, but I laughed at it rather than with it

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I watched Licence to Kill last night. It's a very good 80s action film, but also Dalton's take on the character is more or less exactly what the Craig-Bond is supposed to be - an angry, ruthless, emotionally messed-up loose cannon, except he's a much better actor and doesn't seem perma-bored, so he doesn't come across as just being a bland tough guy as Craig generally does.

I think that's slightly unfair, because in when viewing CR and QoS in tandem you can see how more unhinged he becomes. I mean I agree that he looks bored in this - it was one of the first complaints I had with it - but I don't think that's a trend in all the films. It doesn't help that Bond had no real chemistry with, well, anybody - M and Q felt like strangers on a train, Swann *was* a stranger on a train, any scene with Moneypenny just felt stilted and uncomfortable...hell, I'd say the only bit that felt believable his discussion with Mr White. Fiennes - as good an actor as he is - just doesn't seem to fit very well in this, nor Skyfall. It just seems he brings a gravitas and seriousness that doesn't exist anywhere else in the films and it feels out of place. The others were just, being kind, wooden.

It'll be interesting if Craig does do a fifth film, if only to see how they tie things off. I'd certainly hope it was a standalone, though, and didn't see the return of Waltz.

Of course, none of this takes away from the fact that Dalton only getting 2 outings was a travesty.

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Well this was big old steamer. The sheer dumbness of he script can be summed up by this early bit.

Bond murders someone. We then find out it was just so he could see who would turn up at the funeral.

Okay, that's not bad, reminds me a bit of that psychopath test thing, and is potentially quite a cunning black ops espionage thing to do.

Then it undoes all that. Who is the person who turns up at his funeral. His fucking wife. Well done Bond, what a super spy!

I didn't think we'd get a more unthreatening Bond villain than Eurotrash from QoS and his palm to sell Peckham Spring water to the third-world, or whatever it was, but they showed me.

That dude getting picked up by a helicopter and dropped down a smokestack, while Roger Moore waggled his eyebrows, was a better use of Blofeld then his woeful appearance here.

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When Bond says, "It's not over yet" I groaned, "Oh shit...really?!" Not a fan.

Oddly enough I thought exactly the same thing at that point, though that may be partly because I had been dying for a piss since about an hour into the film and desperately needed it to end.

I miss the days when most action films fitted into a tight, flabless 90 minutes. E.g.: Assault on Precinct 13.

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Well this was big old steamer. The sheer dumbness of he script can be summed up by this early bit.

Bond murders someone. We then find out it was just so he could see who would turn up at the funeral.

Okay, that's not bad, reminds me a bit of that psychopath test thing, and is potentially quite a cunning black ops espionage thing to do.

Then it undoes all that. Who is the person who turns up at his funeral. His fucking wife. Well done Bond, what a super spy!

I didn't think we'd get a more unthreatening Bond villain than Eurotrash from QoS and his palm to sell Peckham Spring water to the third-world, or whatever it was, but they showed me.

That dude getting picked up by a helicopter and dropped down a smokestack, while Roger Moore waggled his eyebrows, was a better use of Blofeld then his woeful appearance here.

The funeral thing.

The point of it wasn't the wife, it was Blofeld; the widow was just Bond's way of getting to the SPECTRE meeting.

What IS the giant plot hole in regards the funeral is that Dench's M sent Bond on this mission; why?

Did she know about SPECTRE and Blofeld? Did she know about the connection to Bond's youth? What a load of bollocks.

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Loved the opening tracking shot and for a (short) while at least it was keeping up a decent attempt at an espionage thriller.

That said for some reason from the get go it felt off. And not just because of that tepid Sam Smith warble. I think the end of Skyfall suggested Bond is ready for business post Judy Dench's death. But actually - no - he's off on leave chasing up random people based off a clip that old M sent him which new M is roundly pissed off about - it would have made more sense to be on a state mission and uncover Spectre (after all they're responsible for a bunch of bombings you never see), but hey whatever. After that its a series of breadcrumbs leading to a bad guy who they've retconned to be the perp for anything and everything shit that's happened Bond. Weird way to form a villain - you never see him do anything particularly villainous. Its all past tense, smoke, mirrors and allusion. And the fact that they are childhood foster children adds even more WTF to the mix. By the end I had no idea if Bond was meant to hate him or not (I guess so but it was hella-fuzzy).

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I watched the latest Mission Impossible last night, after hearing people say the plot was similar to this. It was, but that film manages to outdo Spectre in pretty much every conceivable area (for about half the budget as well). The only weak point was that I thought the villain was a little underwhelming after a great intro. But still, he's about a thousand times more threatening than the joke of a bad guy in Spectre, who makes Jonathan Pryce in Tomorrow Never Dies look like Darth Vader in comparison.

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Considering Blofeld is apparently responsible for every bad thing which ever happened to Bond, and the fact he's given such a grand entrance, it's bizarre that the greatest threats Bond is then faced with from this super villain are

a mono-syllabic bear-hugging goon, and a remote-controlled dentists chair.

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Even his secret lair lacks style. Donald Pleasance had the super cool volcano lair, complete with jump suited goons and a monorail system, where he kept his evil spaceship that eats other spaceships.

Here the baddie's lair looks like an out-of-town enterprise zone in Surrey with some cliffs CGI'd into the background.

Also, it was apparently built by the same contractors who made exploding Travel Lodge in QoS.

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Obviously, the baddy self-destructed the evil lair just as Bond got to a safe distance to trick Bond into thinking he was dead for about five minutes of screen time - at the small cost of only all of his expensive computer equipment, hundreds of jump-suited Apple geniuses, and a meteorite on a podium.

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I've finally seen this. There are a LOT of helicopters in it aren't there? I don't have anything against helicopters, but I can only assume they got some sort of deal so felt they had to use them.

Also, where did all the people on the train go during the WWE streetfight?

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