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(Potential spoilers for something Bob Odenkirk mentioned on Twitter about remainder of this season)

 

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Carol Burnett is guesting in this block of episodes at some point. I'm guessing Kim goes back to her mum? (Err, I can't remember which if any of Kim or Jimmy's parents are alive in the show's present day. Jimmy's parents are dead iirc?)

 

It is a bit odd that Michael Mando has starring billing across the whole series, I wonder if there are more flashbacks coming up. Not a lot of secondary characters still around at this point.

 

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youTube just popped this up for me, looks like an edit of all the B&W Gene stuff so far, suspect it's a worthwhile refresher before the final few eps.

 

edit - I'd forgotten all of this apart from Gene being in Cinnabun so actually was an essential reminder for me.

 

 

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That's a really good post.  I think as well it's really interesting how Kim feels that 

 

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Kim and Saul are good together but bad for those around them.  I'd have thought Jimmy has lead Kim astray, but recently with the Howard scam it was Kim pushing it and Jimmy not being the boss of the scam.  I think they are bad for each other, Jimmy thinks they are good together and Kim thinks they are good for each other but poison to everyone around them.

 

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I always disliked

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The Howard harassment. It felt pointless  and mean spirited. But it makes more sense if the whole exercise was the result of putting a grifter who gets his feelings hurt easily with an enabler who simply doesn't care one way or another.

 

The Howard situation didn't need to happen, it just did because Kim wouldn't rein Jimmy in. And presumably she knows it.

 

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Who was the guy that Gus meets in the restaurant with the bottle of wine? I don't remember seeing him before - what was his significance? And the thing he says about saving the bottle of wine he bought (the 1978) for a special occasion? I assumed this would be when he finally kills Don Eladio but I don't remember him drinking wine after that (or any other time to be honest). 

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15 minutes ago, Anne Summers said:

Who was the guy that Gus meets in the restaurant with the bottle of wine? I don't remember seeing him before - what was his significance? And the thing he says about saving the bottle of wine he bought (the 1978) for a special occasion? I assumed this would be when he finally kills Don Eladio but I don't remember him drinking wine after that (or any other time to be honest). 

 

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Gus exploring his humanity. His wants and desires outside of revenge, domination, and redefining what he can achieve from humble beginnings.

 

He allows himself to feel a little taste of these things, as depicted by the wine, but doesn't allow himself to swallow too much. So to speak.

 

In the company of the sommelier, he's vulnerable and, by his standards, reckless. The 'special occasion' was him flirting and feeling the desire to invite someone into his inner life, a desire he clearly doesn't trust.

 

It's just some nice character building, and something Gus can never show us the rest of the time. Such is his sacrifice to the game.

 

 

 

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You know, I don't think it crossed my mind once when I was watching that scene that Gus is gay. Isn't he?

Have they mentioned/ drawn attention to it at all in this series ? (well, this scene we're talking about, I guess, except it went over my head obviously). 

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The point of the guy in the restaurant…..…..…

 

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…..is the reminder to Gus that he can never have a normal life. The person he cared about the most was killed, so he has to realise he can’t have a normal romantic relationship.

 

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2 hours ago, Anne Summers said:

Who was the guy that Gus meets in the restaurant with the bottle of wine? I don't remember seeing him before - what was his significance? And the thing he says about saving the bottle of wine he bought (the 1978) for a special occasion? I assumed this would be when he finally kills Don Eladio but I don't remember him drinking wine after that (or any other time to be honest). 

I listened to the podcast today they discussed a lot if this stuff, its def worth a listen.

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Man, the Gus/Hector flashbacks in BB and the present day meeting scenes in BCS really use the time difference favourably.

 

I was surprised at how similar Jimmy looks in those BB clips as well, my mental image of BB Saul is much younger (probably because Odenkirk has been playing different variations on the 'comedy' version of the character since the 1990s).

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It is so bittersweet to watch the best season of BCS knowing it’s the last. A few extra things from me that I’d like to highlight:

 

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Kim falling to pieces as she breaks it off with Jimmy. 
 

Gus enraptured by the dream of a domestic life he can’t ever have. 


 

Rhea Seahorn and Giancarlo Esposito - who very rarely get to flex their dramatic muscle in the show, as their characters are so straight-laced and serious all the time - completely sold those moments. They were like these brilliant emotional cherries on the BCS cake. Truly the definition of gilding the lily. 

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15 hours ago, Gotters said:

youTube just popped this up for me, looks like an edit of all the B&W Gene stuff so far, suspect it's a worthwhile refresher before the final few eps.

 

edit - I'd forgotten all of this apart from Gene being in Cinnabun so actually was an essential reminder for me.

 

 


That’s great, but it’s missing at least one scene - the one where he gets locked in the rubbish disposal area (I think?). I wonder if there are other scenes too, but I guess they just wanted to give you highlights. 

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1 hour ago, Hanzo the Razor said:

If this season sticks the landing I will be more than happy to say that Better Call Saul is the best TV series ever made.

 

It's probably my favourite. I like to consider it and Breaking Bad the same show, just for added and generally consistent brilliance across 11 seasons and 125 episodes. I'm not going to get that anywhere else.

 

But Saul tops even BB.

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Not particularly intentionally, I’ve recently started watching Breaking Bad for the second time and it coincidentally happened I watched the most recent episode of Saul, and then switched back to the next episode of BB, and it was the episode Better Call Saul that introduced the character. It worked beautifully. 

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On 19/07/2022 at 20:29, DeciderVT said:
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How far ahead was the jump forward? We go from Kim leaving to Jimmy waking up in his mansion with a prostitute. Even though we can guess what happened in the interim it felt a bit jarring for something that's usually so elegantly written.

 

 

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“The license plate on Saul’s Cadillac has a registration renewal sticker dated 2005. So unless he’s driving around with an expired registration — not worth the hassle, especially when he can send get poor Francesca to handle such a detail — that puts this scene only a year or so after Kim walks out, while Walt won’t try to hire Saul until 2008. So all sorts of timeline shenanigans could be possible in these concluding chapters.  “

 

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Up to speed now

 

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Kim lying to Howard's widow was absolutely bone-chilling. I hope it's not the last we see of Kim although it would be also nice that with all the theories about what happens to her it could end up just being that she just walked out of his life forever. I really like how it shot straight from that scene to the proper Saul Goodman, it didn't need to show much in the way of Jimmy wallowing and teary-eyed.

 

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1 hour ago, makkuwata said:

I couldn’t bear watching the new episode. The character note is clear very early on and skimming through it just seems to be cringe porn for the sake of it. What a waste.

 

Sorry? What were you cringing at?

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On 21/07/2022 at 17:16, Anne Summers said:

You know, I don't think it crossed my mind once when I was watching that scene that Gus is gay. Isn't he?

Have they mentioned/ drawn attention to it at all in this series ? (well, this scene we're talking about, I guess, except it went over my head obviously). 


 

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There seemed a lot more to Gus’ relationship with Max than just being business partners, based on his reaction to his being shot by Salamanca, and his desire for revenge on Don Eladio. I’m pretty sure Lalo uses a homophobic slur in Spanish at some point too - was it when he was filming Gus at the laundry plant ?

 

My take on the restaurant scene might be overly simplistic, but he seemed to be flirting with the sommelier and entertaining the idea of something more happening between them. That ‘saving it for a special occasion’ line was surely a come-on, as he’d bought the specific wine the sommelier had been eulogising over in a previous unseen conversation. There’s a point where his face changes, when the guy has to go briefly, from happiness to a sort of stony resignation, because he realised that if he had any sort of personal life, anyone in it would be a target, and potentially meet the same fate as Max. Kinda a ‘reason superheroes have a secret identity’ deal.

 

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I thought the new one was a great episode. 
 

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We had the standalone heist plot which was engaging and tense when you’d want it to be, then you had glimpses of where Jimmy was at the stage, including the half truths when he needed to stop the security guy turning around and the hanging up of the shirt and tie at the end, which tells us that Saul is no more. Absolutely no idea there it’s all going but I can’t wait to find out.

 

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