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The thing is, go back and watch Breaking Bad. Some of the Walt flashback scenes are unintentionally hilarious as they try to make him look about 16 years younger (while Walt Jr is still waiting to be born) and it looks terrible! At least they didn’t digitally de-age them!

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It’s genius that 2 episodes ago I’m enjoying watching good old Saul set up for the grift, hoping it all works out and nervous that it might go wrong while feeling a little bad that Jerry from Parks and Rec might lose his job.

 

This episode

 

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I’m not nervous that the drugged guy might wake up or that Saul might get caught - I’m disappointed that he escapes because ‘fuck him’ and that’s before he was going to hit the guy with the urn.

 

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I guessed this episode would be 

 

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Kim focused. And it did not disappoint. I wasn't expecting us to go back to Jimmy until the next one though.

 

Also makes sense we'd get the phone conversation. How people thought the muffled phone convo in the last ep might not have been intentional I cannot fathom.

 

I see no one else has mentioned the dark silhouette of a woman appearing briefly in the opening credits. It was almost certainly Kim and may have been a bit of foreshadowing. I have thoughts on that too... 

 

And of course: Waterworks.

 

The multiple references to that throughout: opening the episode with Jimmy's water feature. The place Kim now works. The literal waterworks crying on the bus, the deluge of rain when Kim talks to Jessie

 

More: "he used to be good, when I knew him".

 

This is partly Kim describing his ability as a lawyer, but in actuality it's her describing him as no longer a good person.

 

The whole living with denial at the start: everything like her boring boyfriend was precisely calculated to make you go: no, no, this is wrong, this isn't Kim argh. But it's her completely shut off. You see aspects of Kim slipping out though, like in the way she deleted and retyped a word. Then the Jimmy call breaks down her barrier and it all floods back.

 

When she handed a confession, note she didn't say she knew Jimmy was alive, still protecting him. She does still care about him which was why she told him to turn himself in. And of course she still can't really feel yet the enormity of what they did to Howard. Until the bus scene... Holy shit.

 

Maybe Jimmy angrily reacting and going full blown addict is because deep down he knows she's right and she was the only person in his life who he ever really respected.

 

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A big thing that I think I caught this episode:

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What brings Jimmy back from the brink of killing Marion is her saying "I trusted you".

 

The one thing he never got from his dad, Chuck, Howard, or Mike, Walt, etc, etc. Even Kim never really trusted Jimmy's advice. Or I can't think of a moment when she did. It's something he's always craved and only wound up getting from Marco before his death.

 

And now Marion, who tells him exactly how he betrayed her and makes him confront the fact that his own actions led to a complete loss of trust. I think that was the first time I've seen Jimmy realise how he was his own worst enemy in earning and then losing people's trust. 

 

Actually, all the old folks at Sandpiper trusted Jimmy for a long time as well. Hence him specialising in elder law.

 

I agree with the take that we're going to say how much of Jimmy can still be saved. If he's willing to allow himself to get better. One thing that always stuck out to me about Chuck's suicide is when he cancels his appointment with his doctor for that afternoon. Essentially sealing his own fate and committing to his full on break down. I hope Jimmy is a little bit less nihilistic then his brother was at the end of his life.

 

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The thing about Aaron Paul in this latest ep is not so much that he’s clearly now older than Mike Ehrmantraut, but he is playing Jesse like he’s a Jesse Pinkman impersonator. I reckon I could have done a better turn.

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Jesse is exactly like Joey in Friends when he tries to prove he can still play a 20 year old.  What's up with the wack Playstation. What's up? 

 

But I'm glad now that they brought him back in the previous episode. The latest episode has the conversation in the rain and it was great. We broke the ice on seeing an older man playing Jesse last week and while that scene was largely pointless it allowed us to focus on the acting and story.

 

 

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Poor old  Aaron Paul not putting himself in suspended animation in case he had to come back a play Jesse in a totally different show almost 10 years later, you just gotta go with it guys, it's worth it.

Great episode tho, the last 2 might have felt a tiny bit like filler, but they were building to last nights episode and that's what made it so good.

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Agreed. Also, Breaking Bad Season 2 was filmed in 2009 which is when the scene with Jesse's loud fashion sense takes place, so that's 13 years apart. I thought his appearance in last nights episode was much better than the previous one because he actually sounded more like his younger self and he nailed the manerisms too.

 

I had a BCS related dream last night where Saul was arrested and he hung himself with one of his fancy ties. Put me in a proper shitter of a mood 😕

 

 

 

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I honestly see no problem with 

 

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Them bringing back Jessie despite the age change - as it's already been completely different with ages of all the returning BCS characters throughout the series anyway. The writers are trusting and respecting the audience enough to be able to suspend their disbelief in service of the story, so that's fine.

 

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The way he speaks to Kim in the divorce papers scene really hammered home the extent to which the Saul persona is a defence mechanism. When BCS was first announced it sounded like it might be a bit frivolous, focusing on this relatively clownish character. But even within the Breaking Bad universe, Saul is just that - a character, not a real person. Through BCS we get to see the real person behind the one-dimensional facade. The dismay on Kim's face when she sees the extent to which Jimmy can repress his feelings and disappear into a closed-off, selfish caricature of himself - it was the same as when he repressed his guilt over Chuck's death and first created Saul. But in the Gene timeframe - it's even worse because we see that over time he's really become that selfish person. Eventually, the character you act out becomes who you are.

 

I find the idea that a person is not a singular 'thing', but mutable and full of internal contradictions really interesting. He doesn't 'become' Saul and then 'become' Gene. He's got all of those characteristics, all at once, jockeying to come to the fore as he goes through life.

 

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3 minutes ago, Benny said:

I honestly see no problem with 

 

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Them bringing back Jessie despite the age change - as it's already been completely different with ages of all the returning BCS characters throughout the series anyway. The writers are trusting and respecting the audience enough to be able to suspend their disbelief in service of the story, so that's fine.

 

 

I feel like Kaylee has stretched things the most. Has she ping-pinged around in age? Or remained the same age over 10 years, Lisa Simpson style?

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1 hour ago, dumpster said:

that scene was largely pointless

 

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It's was an extremely important scene. Showing the "new" Jimmy life overlapping the "old" one Kim was part of. And for Kim's devastating final line laced with multiple meanings.

 

Also: so far it is looking like Kim and Jessie will have been the only people in deep in The Game and major events of both series who ended up managing to "escape it". So them both talking together near the end of both shows felt right.

 

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2 minutes ago, Benny said:

 

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It's was an extremely important scene. Showing the "new" Jimmy life overlapping the "old" one Kim was part of. And for Kim's devastating final line laced with multiple meanings.

 

Also: so far it is looking like Kim and Jessie will have been the only people in deep in The Game and event of both series who ended up managing to "escape it". So them both talking together near the end of both shows felt right.

 

 

I hope they don't do an El Camino type thing with Kim though. It was bloody awful. The only misstep in the entire BB/BCS universe.

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26 minutes ago, Benny said:

 

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It's was an extremely important scene. Showing the "new" Jimmy life overlapping the "old" one Kim was part of. And for Kim's devastating final line laced with multiple meanings.

 

Also: so far it is looking like Kim and Jessie will have been the only people in deep in The Game and major events of both series who ended up managing to "escape it". So them both talking together near the end of both shows felt right.

 

To be clear, the pointless scene I mean is the one with Walt and Jesse in the Crystal Ship with Saul. It didn't add anything.  But then again it broke the ice, so to speak, of having characters coming back in.  The scene with Kim and Jesse was great and a key part of that was that we'd already seen Jesse in that previous scene, so we were able to listen to the dialogue and focus without distraction.

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10 hours ago, HarMGM said:

A big thing that I think I caught this episode:

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What brings Jimmy back from the brink of killing Marion is her saying "I trusted you".

 

The one thing he never got from his dad, Chuck, Howard, or Mike, Walt, etc, etc. Even Kim never really trusted Jimmy's advice. Or I can't think of a moment when she did. It's something he's always craved and only wound up getting from Marco before his death.

 

And now Marion, who tells him exactly how he betrayed her and makes him confront the fact that his own actions led to a complete loss of trust. I think that was the first time I've seen Jimmy realise how he was his own worst enemy in earning and then losing people's trust. 

 

Actually, all the old folks at Sandpiper trusted Jimmy for a long time as well. Hence him specialising in elder law.

 

I agree with the take that we're going to say how much of Jimmy can still be saved. If he's willing to allow himself to get better. One thing that always stuck out to me about Chuck's suicide is when he cancels his appointment with his doctor for that afternoon. Essentially sealing his own fate and committing to his full on break down. I hope Jimmy is a little bit less nihilistic then his brother was at the end of his life.

 

 

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I think there's a bit of a call back to all the B&W commercials he shot. She really reminded me of the various scared crying widows during that scene who had their trust abused..

 

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1 hour ago, Benny said:

I honestly see no problem with 

 

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Them bringing back Jessie despite the age change - as it's already been completely different with ages of all the returning BCS characters throughout the series anyway. The writers are trusting and respecting the audience enough to be able to suspend their disbelief in service of the story, so that's fine.

 

 

Well yeah - we've managed okay with Mike and Gus and Saul himself for 6 series.  

 

Lets just say its like that weird subplot in Oz where they took some weird aging drug for a bit then it wore off.

 

 

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When Gene

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wraps the telephone cable round his hands as if he's going to strangle her I thought that was a terrific performance by Odenkirk. First time you ever see him be genuinely threatening, and an interesting parallel compared to how he behaved when Walt squares up to him while they are waiting for the Hoover guy to do his thing. He is so scared of Walt he cowers (until his coughing fit). It's like in the Gene timeline he's looking upto Walt as a role model rather than someone who should not be emulated at all costs

 

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