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yet another crappy PC based console:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1944&p=2

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If ever there was a misuse of the overly used rolly eye smilie this is it - are you trying to say that the xbox isn't basically a pc in a box then?

To be fair, there are fundamental differences

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From the specs alone you should realize that we're not talking about a very powerful gaming machine, but if you compare it to the Celeron 733 and the NV2A in the Xbox the system isn't exactly gutless.

Are completely misleading.

Try running KOTOR or Halo on a 733 Celeron and a Geforce2 for an example.

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..are you trying to say that the xbox isn't basically a pc in a box then?

Yes, it's a console. Which is why it won't play PC games when you put them into the disc drive.

However, my rolly-eyes thing was mainly towards the seeming lack of professionalism and understanding of the article towards the Xbox.

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Also, I think you're confusing PC with operating system. Sure, the version of windows used is vastly optimised for games, but it's essentially off the shlf PC components. No?

With Xbox you are writing for a defined platform. The Xbox "direct X" layer is vastly different to that of windows direct X.

With PC you are wiriting to an API which then interprets for each given setup - of which there are thousands - so there is an additional "step" inbetween the software and the hardware.

With PC you are running various processes in the background - XBox is running none - there are several fundamental differences - the major one being the fixed platform.

I just think it is a little misleading to call Xbox a "PC in a box".

As for a literal PC in a box, as this console puports to be - You would need vastly more power then this one has - As whether this PC is a defined platform or not, the software is not written with it in mind, i.e. it is standard PC software - it will still have to go through Direct X etc.

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Yes, it's a console. Which is why it won't play PC games when you put them into the disc drive.

However, my rolly-eyes thing was mainly towards the seeming lack of professionalism and understanding of the article towards the Xbox.

unless you chip it. Then you can play a great game called linux if you want! Also, they've almost cracked getting proper apps working on it.

The fact that it obviously doesn't run these things out of the box is pedantry. A bit.

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unless you chip it. Then you can play a great game called linux if you want! Also, they've almost cracked getting proper apps working on it.

The fact that it obviously doesn't run these things out of the box is pedantry. A bit.

Of course it can run given PC apps - but Xbox specific games, which is what it is all about, really, are written specifically for Xbox, specifically for that CPU, Memory configuration, GPU, sound processing. If PC's all had identical setups, then it would be similar, as it is, PC has almost limitless options, and therefore is different.

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unless you chip it. Then you can play a great game called linux if you want! Also, they've almost cracked getting proper apps working on it.

The fact that it obviously doesn't run these things out of the box is pedantry. A bit.

Not really. I mean, you can run Linux on a PS2 if you have the hard-drive, but that isn't a PC in a box, is it? The only reason it's getting 'modded' so much is the familiar archetecture and the fact that it has a cheapo hard-drive in there. You could put a hard-drive in a Gamecube and call it a PC in a box, but it wouldn't be particulalry accurate.

My point was, that it is vastly different from this.... thing... which ACTUALLY IS a PC - in a box. See?

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unless you chip it.  Then you can play a great game called linux if you want!  Also, they've almost cracked getting proper apps working on it.

The fact that it obviously doesn't run these things out of the box is pedantry. A bit.

Not really. I mean, you can run Linux on a PS2 if you have the hard-drive, but that isn't a PC in a box, is it? The only reason it's getting 'modded' so much is the familiar archetecture and the fact that it has a cheapo hard-drive in there. You could put a hard-drive in a Gamecube and call it a PC in a box, but it wouldn't be particulalry accurate.

My point was, that it is vastly different from this.... thing... which ACTUALLY IS a PC - in a box. See?

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Name all the componants that differ inside it except from the MCPX then smarty pants!

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I just think it is a little misleading to call Xbox a "PC in a box".

You're right. PCs come in boxes too.

Seriously though, although it can't run PC software, the very way the hardware works is almost exactly the same as a PC. CPU passes data to the powerful GPU to spray on the screen. It's far cry from the PS2's multiple processors working in tandem

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Car = Motorbike in a bigger chassis.

It's just a PC in a smaller box that only runs signed code unless you chip it. REMEMBER that a PC is the componants in the case and not Windows. Which eschews the point about a differing Dx layer...

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Car = Motorbike in a bigger chassis.

It's just a PC in a smaller box that only runs signed code unless you chip it. REMEMBER that a PC is the componants in the case and not Windows. Which eschews the point about a differing Dx layer...

Right, am guessing you are not a Bike rider..

In either case, PC or Xbox, it is not about the components at all, but about the operating system, and the games you play on it. In fundemental terms, the Xbox and PC differ in this respect.

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It's just a PC in a smaller box that only runs signed code unless you chip it.

It is a CONSOLE.

The hardware is not the issue here. It has a processor, a graphics card, a hard-drive, memory and stuff. The same could be said of a PS2.

You could run similar apps (emus and things) on a Dreamcast, you can run Linux on a PS2, this does not make them PCs in small boxes. Well if it does, then all consdoles are simply PCs in small boxes. The Xbox is no exception to this, it doesn't matter if it does certain things in the same way to a PC, or that its components are already existing ones, it will not run PC software.

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