The Flash - TV series

[makkuwata]

42 minutes ago, Hexx said:

Time Remnant's previously were where you pluked a copy of yourself out of an alternate timeline that no longer exists (I think)

 

This time....no idea....running fast just clones you?

 

It all felt a bit Rick and Morty.

 

 

 

"It's not like we can do this every week anyways, we get like 3 or 4 more of these. Tops."

[Flub]

Series 2 of the flash ends with Barry continuing the tradition of Barry being an absolute fucking idiot

 

At least we have the promise of Supergirl popping over to visit and making the place 1000% less fucking gloomy

[Captain Kelsten]

I've just watched the first three episodes of this and, by God, it's cheesy, throwaway,  Smallville shite. Is the whole thing basically 'who got random powers this week'?. I recognised the main detective guy and I couldn't work out for ages who it was, then it hit me: he played a baseball playing alien in an obscure X-files episode. 

[Flub]

The Flash gets better the stupider the story lines up to a point where Barry crosses over the stupidity threshold and implodes into a singularity of dumb.

 

Then he meets Supergirl and everything is Totes Adorbz.

[JohnC]

That doesn't happen on screen in The Flash though, so he won't see it by watching this show.

[Sabreman]

I thought they were going to go with 

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real Barry sacrificing himself and the time remnant taking his place.

 

[Gambit]

1 hour ago, Doctor Shark said:

I've just watched the first three episodes of this and, by God, it's cheesy, throwaway,  Smallville shite. Is the whole thing basically 'who got random powers this week'?. I recognised the main detective guy and I couldn't work out for ages who it was, then it hit me: he played a baseball playing alien in an obscure X-files episode. 

 

The first season is mostly incredible.

[Flub]

58 minutes ago, JohnC said:

That doesn't happen on screen in The Flash though, so he won't see it by watching this show.

 

Now they're all on the same network it's going to happen. Believe.

[Tezcatlipoca]

So. The season 2 finale was... beyond stupid

 

Once again, Barry behaved like a total idiot. Oh, and so did his friends.

 

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"Zoom wants to steal my speed while we race each other, so that he can power his doomsday weapon and destroy the entire multiverse! And *that* is why the only way to stop him is... to race him."

 

Eh?

And Team Flash's plan was unbelievably stupid, too.

 

"Let's trick Zoom with a hologram of Caitlin, so that Cisco can create a breach and we can push him through it to Earth-2. Job done."

Erm, guys, did you forget that Zoom can create his own breaches? What exactly would have stopped him from simply opening a new breach himself, so that he could come right back to Earth-1 and kill you all?

 

Also:

Time Remnants? WTF? It sort of made sense (sort of) with Eobard, as he came from a since-deleted timeline or something. But what Barry and Zoom did in the finale? 

 

Magnetar? More like Magnetard. Oh. I guess that was stolen last week, and nobody thought to mention it at the time, given that they all forgot about Dr McGee and left her looking at security footage for the rest of the episode. Sure, we got a throwaway line *this* week, but it felt like a tacked on afterthought.

 

Oh. And then of course Barry UTTERLY FUCKED THE TIMELINE at the end. Yay. Well done, Barry... I hope the Time Wraiths come for you.

 

The best bit was the reveal of the Man in the Mask, which was admittedly pretty damn cool, especially the costume.

 

The rest... Meh. Kind of like season 2 as a whole, really

 

 

 

13 hours ago, MDY said:

 

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Well done Barry you broke the universe.. again..
FFS!

 

 

That image sums up not just the finale, but the entire second season

 

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

12 hours ago, MDY said:

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I'd be OK if I had any faith in the writers of being able to fix what just happened in a logical fashion..

Not after this year.. time remnants? The mess of causality Legends would have caused.. (and guess the Timemasters totally missed Barry potentially rewriting a major chunk of the history of integral players here..)

 

Will they take it to a logical end and have it cause major changes in the status quo of Arrow/Legends stories etc..? Guessing no.

And then they have to weave Supergirl into the universe too?

They seemed to be about to do that (Crisis on Infinite Earths style) but then ended up doing Flashpoint instead..

The chances of this being a non-clusterf*ck seem ~very~ small..

 

 

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Yeah. This changes the entire first two seasons of The Flash, and must surely affect Arrow and Legends too.

 

If Barry's mother is alive, his father won't go to prison, and he won't be raised by Joe.

 

Eobard also won't take the place of Earth-1's Harrison (unless he escapes while Barry is comforting his mother), so Fake-Wells won't be there to accelerate Barry becoming The Flash by causing the explosion earlier than it originally happened.

 

No premature explosion means Barry won't be The Flash for season 1 or 2, and also means there'll be no Metahumans.

 

And... no Fake-Wells means that Eddie won't have sacrificed himself to stop Fake-Wells, and also means there will have been no need for Ronnie to sacrifice himself, which means that Ronnie will still be Firestorm and not Jefferson, which fucks up Legends...

 

Oh. And no breaches, so no Zoom on Earth-1, so none of season 2...

 

 

[Lorfarius]

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Or more likely they wanted a cheap way to make everyone/viewers mull over the final for several months where they will just hit the reset button on the entire idea come the first episode so as not to ruin every other show.

 

[makkuwata]

Kara is going to show up and smile and everything will be fine forever.

[Mogster]

Yeah, that was utter nonsense. If your resolution relies on other cast members explaining what the hell is going on as it's happening, despite them having no reason to understand what the hell is going on, you've probably screwed up somewhere. I really hope season 3 is a return to form after all this.

[Sexton Hardcastle]

I actually quite liked the end of that. It's just setting up the infamous Flashpoint storyline for next season. It was always a given they were going to do it at some point, and they did hint at the end of season 1 when future Barry told himself not to stop his mothers murder - he had obviously tried it before. 

 

I doubt that CW would have the balls to do an alternate timeline on Arrow/Legends/Supergirl, so I don't know how they are going to have corrupted heroes feuding to show that we are now in the Darkest Timeline without handing out paper black goatees. 

 

Whatever way they decide to handle it they sure as hell better not have the New52 as the Season4 storyline!!

 

 

actually just thinking about it they will probably have Wells replace Thomas Wayne & Kara will be the imprisoned Superman

[Tezcatlipoca]

Maybe they realised that season 2 as a whole was badly written nonsense, with characters habitually being fucktards, so this will be a way to just erase the whole thing?

[Harsin]

They're just following DC comics example of increasingly shit stories, with periodic resets promising that everything will be better.

[Darwock]

So the man in the mask, I was both right and wrong. Right in the identity, but wrong in thinking they would be using it to sort out the tangled mess of Zoom. Cop out!

 

As for the ending...

 

when Barry said "sorry I have to do this" and ran through the time portal I was convinced he was going to join himself in the Zoom fight; to be the duplicate Barry he needed, and killing himself in the process. That would have made sense and been a huge way to end the series. Cop out! I don't know what a time remnant is exactly, other than a convenient way to back out of plot dead-ends.

[Lorfarius]

Creating a time loop where there could be no more show?

[MDY]

Trying to figure out if there is a reason why..

 

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..he couldn't have just run back in time (creating a remnant if needs be - or does he become one anyway if he's changing the past?) and intercepted/beat the crap out of Zoom (as he seems perfectly capable of doing now).. outside the house as Zoom arrived to kill his dad instead?

 

(Other than the writers being hopeless/needing a big WTF ending moment.)

One safe parent, no huge timeline fuckery..Job done!

 

 

[Lorfarius]

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I think the point was he wanted to erase his dads life in prison for 20 years, to give him a chance.

 

[Sexton Hardcastle]

But what about Iris? Its the question everyone nobody is asking!

[Hexx]

I did! I said I expect the plan is this will make them not almost-siblings so they can pork without it being creepy/icky.

[Lorfarius]

18 minutes ago, sexton_hardcastle said:

But what about Iris? Its the question everyone nobody is asking!

 

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I wonder if this is a good way of stopping that relationship from ever happening!

 

[Darwock]

2 hours ago, Lorfarius said:

Creating a time loop where there could be no more show?

 

As if that would have stopped them!

 

There have been so many alternate Flashes already, they wouldn't even have needed a lazarus pit.

[Lorfarius]

I just had a thought.... didn't Barry zoom into Series 3 of Arrow and save the team from Ras al Rugby? If this timeline keeps up we might just get a full Arrow reset to S2.... I'm all for it now!

[JohnC]

I doubt they will have any one of the shows make big changes in any of the others. At least not without it also being set up in the other shows. A lot of people won't be watching all shows and it would be a bit weird and perhaps unfair on those viewers. 

[Tezcatlipoca]

2 hours ago, Lorfarius said:

I just had a thought.... didn't Barry zoom into Series 3 of Arrow and save the team from Ras al Rugby? If this timeline keeps up we might just get a full Arrow reset to S2.... I'm all for it now!

 

He was also instrumental in helping the Green Arrow stop Savage in the crossover that helped set things up for Legends.

[DarhkFox]

Hmm its got really weird now. Also Barry is definitely becoming a bit of a dick.

 

Season 2 unfortunately hasn't been as good as season 1 but it's still generally been a fun ride.

 

Also I guessed the iron mask guy correctly but he wasn't exactly who I thought he would be.

[MDY]

Thought.. Shouldn't Reverse Flash have become what they consider a time remnant when Eddie died..? Existing, despite being from a redundant timeline? What's the difference?

By their logic this year, they wouldn't have defeated the bad guy last year..

[Sexton Hardcastle]

I thought the same thing about Thawne. The time remnant stuff is utter bollocks, but I think maybe it's about bringing a past version into the current timeline?