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Glasgowchivas

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43 minutes ago, Ork1927 said:

 

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Liked the ending, but slightly surprised it didn't have anything dramatic - interesting to see how they set up Infinity War through the next movies.

 

 

 

 

I believe that Thor:Ragnarock is doing all the Infinity War heavy lifting. 

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Hi could someone say what happened in the post credits scene? I couldn't stand sitting through ten minutes of self important people rubbing my face in it with their better jobs than mine forcing me to read their names.

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Glasgowchivas

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41 minutes ago, stan said:

Hi could someone say what happened in the post credits scene? I couldn't stand sitting through ten minutes of self important people rubbing my face in it with their better jobs than mine forcing me to read their names.

 

2 scenes

 

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1st was Bucky & Cap in Wakanda. Bucky, minus his metal arm, volutarily goes back into the deep freeze, while the Wakandan doctors try to de-program whatever HYDRA did to him. Cap thanks Black Panther for doing this (Wakanda looks like something out of Star Trek btw) and when he says "they'll come for him if they know he's here" you get a moment where Panther says "let them try" and a cool shot of a giant Panther rock statue in the jungle and a hint of the hidden Wakanda city behind it.

 

2nd was just Peter Parker talking to aunt May about a fight he'd had with a guy from Brooklyn and his "huge" friend while hiding something that stark gave him - it looked like blueprints/tech drawings etc. Came out of the device and played on the ceiling. Was a funny bit but not worth sitting through 10mins of credits for.

 

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JohnnyNolan

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I saw this last night. Decent film, but nothing special. It could do with having 30 minutes knocked off the run time too. Not a film I think I could re-watch, there are certainly too many pacing issues and unnecessary z-list characters thrown in.

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JohnnyNolan

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I think it suffered for shoving Spiderman in for one. It made no sense other than to pimp a new film and balance the numbers up.

 

Also while I enjoyed the Antman film on it's own, his inclusion here felt forced. Add to that the cast of characters who are just as dull as ditch water Hawkeye, Red Witch and Vision. Hawkeye also randomly picking a side for no reason what so ever felt like just an exercise in number balancing.

 

I felt they could have made the film and story much tighter and interesting by limiting the number of characters given screen time. In general that does seem to be an issue with these types of films as they start off smaller in scope and well executed and then become bloated and messy as more and more is thrown at the viewer. Possibly pandering to the comic fans at the expense of more general film viewers. I'll openly admit I've never read any of the comics and only know these characters from the films.

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Spiderman and Antman were two of the best things about the movie.  I like vision as well.  Couldnt argue too much on Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch, but then you could hardly describe the former as z list, he has been in most of the movies to date and as such is a well established character.

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I do agree with that, Johnny, but it didn't affect my overall enjoyment too much. I think you have to accept that the Marvel films are a series, not discrete entities, and as such you will get superfluous characters and scenes that don't do much for the film you're watching, but really help with the overall cohesiveness. The films prop each other up. I'm already looking back much more favourably on Ultron due to how the consequences are explored in Civil War. Winter Solider and Civil War both help elevate The First Avenger to greatness. Spidey's trailer in Civil War will hopefully feed into and strengthen his first proper solo film.

 

Take out Spidey, Ant-Man and Hawkeye and you'd probably have a stronger film in isolation but a weaker series overall.

 

I don't agree that it panders to comic fans, though. You only have to have seen the earlier MCU films to get the full benefit. I don't think any comic knowledge is necessary, is it?

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JohnnyNolan

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Those are fair comments. I think I just feel that limiting the main cast in this to Bucky, Cap, Stark and Black Panther could have made for a deeper experience as a stand alone film, but possibly not something that adds to the overall Marvel universe they are promoting. I guess my views are someone who tends to treat the films in isolation, as I'm not entirely invested in the overall universe theme.

 

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JohnnyNolan

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Actually I wasn't a huge fan of that scene. In contrast I loved the fight scene at the end, which certainly had me on the edge of my seat.

 

I think that's just me though. Looking back through any of these films I find the small duels or fights to be interesting, but never really enjoy the epic battle type scenarios.

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The airport scene is technically impressive and certainly a barrel of fun but it's definitely the action scene that's most obviously there just to show a bunch of superheroes punching the shit out of each other. The opening in Nigeria, the Bucky chase and the finale all have much more resonance because they occur for more natural plot reasons and there are genuine personal stakes. The Winter Soldier and Civil War are both relatively grounded, mature action films where you can get invested in the fighting and shooting because it's properly earned.

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Glasgowchivas

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Can we take a minute to appreciate how good a job the screenwriters did to transalate the core idea of Civil War into something that felt very natural and inevitable given the events of the other Marvel films instead of the (entertaining) but trashy original Mark Millar version?

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55 minutes ago, Glasgowchivas said:

Can we take a minute to appreciate how good a job the screenwriters did to transalate the core idea of Civil War into something that felt very natural and inevitable given the events of the other Marvel films instead of the (entertaining) but trashy original Mark Millar version?

 

Absolutely! I was impressed with this myself, especially as I had concerns as to how they'd squeeze it all in.

 

Nicely contrasts how Stark and Rogers are both trapped by their history and passions; with Stark feeling the consequences of his need to keep fiddling and creating, and Rogers unable to accept the past is gone. Both Winter Soldier and AOU cement these positions in a more concrete way: The birth of Stark's guilt and Rogers' growing struggle to grasp that good vs evil has become a relative term. 

 

As a result, you end up being neither Team Cap or Team Stark as it's not that simple. I've never been a big fan of Captain America as he always struck me as a bit too much like Superman. Too sanctimonious, too perfect. But Civil War shows he's just as stubborn and myopic as Stark, which I was very grateful for. 

 

Oh, and great action scenes too. 

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It must also be mind-bogglingly complex to try to come up with a script that moves all the pieces around in a way that can satisfy both the audience's desire to see something that makes sense for the characters as well as the studio's desire to have the requisite heroes, action scenes and future film set-ups. Most other blockbusters, with much simpler requirements, can't manage it. Believable character motivation and internal plot logic goes out of the window to satisfy the need for spectacle. I'm amazed how well the scriptwriters for Civil War manage to navigate all this and make it work on all levels.

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3 hours ago, Captain LeChuck said:

Anyone read Peter Bradshaw's review of this for The Guardian? He's again rather spoilerific (but mainly about the early scenes), and is a complete dick all through his review. Then slaps four stars on it so as not to go against the grain, and calls it "an aspartame rush".

 

The guy is a twat.

 

I can't stand Bradshaw's reviews.

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1 hour ago, Benny said:

Mark Kermode's radio review was decent I thought.

 

He did this specific thing with really grates with me, that is when someone tries hard not to use the right term for something, or pretend they don't know what's happening. In this case it was about Wanda's powers, which he described as something like "Doing her hand-wavy, purple.... energy... thing".

 

It's alright to just say she used her magic, Mark. Nobody will think less of you for it.

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