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That looks really great. I loved The Winter Soldier - I can't help watching it when it appears on TV - and this looks like it carries the same tone and is a logical continuation. I'm looking forward to a film focused on the more grounded superheroes, although Iron Man has previously been virtually invincible. I guess they'll have to nerf him a tad in this one.

I felt bored of the MCU after Ultron, but this might be able to rekindle my interest.

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"Vague and hopelessly abstract quote"

It's going to be another Marvel film; a complete lack of character development, a bunch of flashy fights framed badly, and a conclusion that, in spite of warnings on the contrary, changes nothing.

I can see what you're getting at with this but I thought Winter Soldier gave a fair old bit of depth to cap. And it set this film up nicely.

Trailer looks great, roll on May.

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"Vague and hopelessly abstract quote"

It's going to be another Marvel film; a complete lack of character development, a bunch of flashy fights framed badly, and a conclusion that, in spite of warnings on the contrary, changes nothing.

The events of Winter Soldier completely upset the entirety of the MCU. Agents of SHIELD was turned completely arse-end-up.

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"Vague and hopelessly abstract quote"

It's going to be another Marvel film; a complete lack of character development, a bunch of flashy fights framed badly, and a conclusion that, in spite of warnings on the contrary, changes nothing.

Get out.

The events of Winter Soldier completely upset the entirety of the MCU. Agents of SHIELD was turned completely arse-end-up.

You're not helping.

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The events of Winter Soldier completely upset the entirety of the MCU. Agents of SHIELD was turned completely arse-end-up.

Oh, please. "The entirity of MCU"? Really? Agents of SHIELD - the only Marvel show nobody generally creams themselves about and even Feige has discussed in a "Well, if we make it to the end of that show..." kinda way - is the only thing it's impacted so far.

The only difference it's made to the films is that, in Age Of Ultron, the crew went back to their mate's house instead of the Big Central Spy Base, and Nick Fury spent a few weeks in a barn! By the end of the movie, Not-SHIELD rocked up with an army and a helicarrier to help the squad out in their greatest hour of need.

Changing the logo on the stationary is not "arse-end-up".

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The events of Winter Soldier completely upset the entirety of the MCU. Agents of SHIELD was turned completely arse-end-up.

Not really, it was revealed at the end of The First Avenger (the best MCU film), with the Cap waking up into a nightmarish world dominated by Howard Stark's gimmicky bullshit, itself inspired by WW2-era Hydra's fascination with advanced machinations. At the start of the film, they're contrasted with Stark's gizmos being style over substance (and vice versa for Hydra), but after the old Hydra is effectively nulled by its leader being disappeared, the "good guys" step in and leapfrog off their designs.

Of course, none of this is explicitly spoken, but it's definitely spelt out in framing, context and dialogue choices, like a good film should. It's not the only film that makes the reference; the first Iron Man even has a few lines about Howard Stark's desires ("Your father would have loved this!"), before IM2 and CA2 both had huge sections saying (in words) that he was definitely a good guy.

EDIT: not to mention that the end of CA2 has Cap saying that they shouldn't ever do anything like the Avengers again (to Fury), before doing exactly that at the end of AoU. It's barmy.

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It's interesting that the trailer mostly seems to portray Captain America in a rather shady light. William Hurt saying that it's not acceptable for him to be operating his own super powered PMC without any oversight seems perfectly fair. The end of Age of Ultron never sat right with me (well most of the film didn't sit right with me, but you know what I mean.). In particular Scarlet Witch having a heroic entrance at the end, erm, didn't she deliberately engineer the destruction of huge swathes of some poor African city, shouldn't she be up in front of an international tribunal somewhere? His primary motivation seems to be keeping his pal the mass murderer (albeit not entirely responsible due to brainwashing) out of the Po-Po's hands. Likewise, Tony Stark is, for the most part, portrayed as being pretty reasonable in comparison and the fight bit at the end appears to be framed as him attempting to defend himself while two super soldiers wail on him.

Obviously there's more to it than that and they're not going to have a film of Captain America being in the wrong. But it already looks more nuanced than the source material.

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Winter Soldier portrayed it that as rather ambiguous before launch with the "how do we tell the good guys from the badguys" line in the trailer and then it ended up being heroes versus literal Nazis.

This'll likely play out the same way.

In fairness, the Winter Soldier line referenced the fact they literally wouldn't be able to tell which of their former co-workers would be likely to start shooting at them once the fun started. It's not quite the same as having two characters who've always been portrayed as largely heroic going at it due to their divided loyalties/ideological differences, unless you think they're really going to have one of them be the straight-up "bad guy".

I thought the trailer looked great, incidentally, though I wonder if there's going to be a bit of bloat. A lot of the characters are well-established enough that they don't need too much introduction now, but exploring their motivations might be interesting bearing in mind the themes/issues they're trying to explore, and I'd think they might struggle to add much depth while also introducing Black Panther. (And Spidey? Or am I misremembering which film he's due to debut in?)

Did they ever say how exactly Howard Stark snuffed it? Was it peacefully in his sleep from old age or an untimely 'accident'?

Car crash, wasn't it? So probably untimely "accident". Wouldn't be at all surprised if they imply that ol' Bucky had a hand in that, just to raise the stakes further in Civil War.

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I may be completely misremembering this, but isn't it implied in Winter Soldier that Bucky was implicated in the Stark's deaths? I'm sure when they do the montage of things Hydra, and more specifically Bucky, had been involved in they show the headline of the Stark's deaths in an accident.

I'm sure I'm not imagining that...

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The only thing in the trailer (and I guess the film, unless they're throwing audio curveballs) that doesn't sit right with me, is Stark hitching his flag to the side of accountability and limits. He's always been way more guilty than anyone of doing his own thing regardless of the consequences. The entirely of Age of Ultron is a testament to that. Maybe he's learned his lesson?

I don't think the trailer portrays Cap as being wrong, or the bad guy. It just continues his stance from TWS of not letting yourself become a puppet of shady organizations. Sure, throw in the fact that they're out for Bucky's blood, but the central falling out seems to be about the issue of control. Are The Avengers a collective of government assets, or are they an independent force free from politics?

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