Captain America: Civil War

[monkeydog]

As well as strength they have a magic shield and a magic arm. I'm not sure that helps plausibility for you, but it clearly gives them an advantage in real life against Iron Man.

[Lorfarius]

Both are highly trained, experienced super soldiers, Cap hasn't really been shown to have limits so far but it's all a bit better than Ironman's kit in theory.

[Stig]

Iron Man is just a man in a suit at the end of the day with no real fighting training. Take away some of his abilities like flight or making him fight in close quarters like this scene suggests and he becomes a lot easier to fight. They're using their supperior strength and training to knock him down and the shield and arm to block his energy shots. It's very plausible.

[Distinct muttering]

What other movie was this Bucky in?

[Stig]

What other movie was this Bucky in?

Both CA films. He was his best friend from home who became part of Caps team once he got put in the field and then he was The Winter Soilder in the 2nd film. Hydra found him and brainwashed him, gave him the arm and made him into a super Soilder. Then they froze him and defrosted him whenever they needed him for a mission.

[Andy_Why]

The only thing in the trailer (and I guess the film, unless they're throwing audio curveballs) that doesn't sit right with me, is Stark hitching his flag to the side of accountability and limits. He's always been way more guilty than anyone of doing his own thing regardless of the consequences. The entirely of Age of Ultron is a testament to that. Maybe he's learned his lesson?

I don't think the trailer portrays Cap as being wrong, or the bad guy. It just continues his stance from TWS of not letting yourself become a puppet of shady organizations. Sure, throw in the fact that they're out for Bucky's blood, but the central falling out seems to be about the issue of control. Are The Avengers a collective of government assets, or are they an independent force free from politics?

I think the main idea here is that Age of Ultron was a harsh lesson for him in accountability and leads directly to his stance in this film. Though he did decide to create Vision between creating Ultron and now, so who knows? Good old Marvel logic.

[Glasgowchivas]

There's another incident at the start of Cap 3 that is the final straw in regards to unregistered "capes"; no idea if Iron Man is involved or not, though I suspect not.

Tony being on the side of the Accords isn't that a stretch for me, considering how AoU fleshed out his increasingly desperate attempts to protect the world; if public opinion shifts against the Avengers as gung-ho, rule breakers who cause a ton of collateral damage - and let's face it, they are - then I can totally buy him signing up to the idea of accountability.

Tell you what I love about that trailer; the music.

[Alex W.]

I don't think Stark has a problem with oversight so long as it's his oversight. He created an army of peacekeeping robots and Ultron after all.

[Pob]

The trailer seems to suggest that the primary motivators are personal rather than political, which is a much more interesting direction to go in. The authorities, reasonably, want Cap to give up Bucky after the events of Winter Soldier, but he won't. Stark has a personal stake if it comes out that Bucky was involved in his parents' deaths, and there's also a shot of a wounded Rhodey which again raises the personal stakes. Especially if Rhodey actually dies! Would they do that?

I'm not sure how much the pro/anti-registration thing will figure in the film, but the trailer wisely focuses on the emotional side, and makes it look fucking awesome, frankly.

[stefcha]

The best thing this could do, and looks to be doing, is pretty much ignore how Civil War played out in the comics. I actually quite liked it, be fuck me what a sprawling largely nonsensical mess it was.

[MansizeRooster]

Yeah it would involve daft stuff like major Marvel characters that aren't in the MCU being quickly introduced for a total of 4 minutes screen time. It'd be very disorienting to non Marvel nerds, and could also paint the studio into some nasty corners from future castings perspective.

[Pob]

So is Spidey in this? The wikipedia page mentions was cast for this film so does he have a cameo? It would seem like something they'd at least tease in the trailer.

[Broker]

The core story of Civil War is Cap and Tony coming to a point where their ideas and morals come into conflict and then splitting the Avengers in half and having a big punch up. The only other real factor is a major player who sides with Tony early on before realising Cap is in the right. Even though he's confirmed to appear, I'd bet they'll take that role away from Spidey and give it to Black Panther.

Trying to add anything else from the comics wouldn't work, as civil war is basically just a series of cool events that either mean nothing in the wider context or aren't interesting without having read comics for years. The moments that work feel big because they build on years of character development, the movie version will need to do that with the characters it has, which necessitates big changes to the plot.

Edit: now that I think about it, Black Widow might well take Spodey's role. She's the best placed to fill it.

[Andy_Why]

In case people don't want to know either way about Spidey-

He is in it, yeah. Captain Marvel was supposed to be the 'surprise' cameo in the film before Marvel got the Spider-man rights back. Apparently it's more than a cameo too. They've filmed some fight scenes with him. Though I think they're still trying to keep it quiet for the most part so the general public will be properly surprised when he shows up. I'd be very surprised if any of the trailers feature him.

[Distinct muttering]

Both CA films. He was his best friend from home who became part of Caps team once he got put in the field and then he was The Winter Soilder in the 2nd film. Hydra found him and brainwashed him, gave him the arm and made him into a super Soilder. Then they froze him and defrosted him whenever they needed him for a mission.

Not seen Winter Soldier yet as didn't really feel the first Cap film, prob why I don't remember him from that one.

[Stig]

Not seen Winter Soldier yet as didn't really feel the first Cap film, prob why I don't remember him from that one.

Winter Soilder is great, much better than the first.

[MansizeRooster]

Black Widow might well take Spodey's role.

They're being careful as fuck with Spiderman. Apparently his costume is being made in-house, behind locked doors so that there aren't any leaks from costume companies.

[Pob]

Not seen Winter Soldier yet as didn't really feel the first Cap film, prob why I don't remember him from that one.

Jesus, definitely watch it ASAP! It's miles better than the first one. On reflection is probably my favourite of all the Marvel films to date.

I don't think Bucky was that memorable in The First Avenger (well, the film itself isn't particularly memorable apart from Chris Evans as Cap), so although the Winter Soldier is a cool enemy the emotional connection wasn't as strong as it couldn't been. I bet when his identity was revealed half the cinema was going "who?". However, the events of TWS certainly make a great set-up for CW. I think Sebastian Stan has that lost puppy dog look about him that'll work much better as a desperate fugitive than cyborg ninja super assassin.

Plus, Cap's story arc as a reluctant war hero disconnected from the world he wakes up in and skeptical of authority feeds in perfectly to CW and makes him much more interesting than the all-American hero he could have been.

[Distinct muttering]

Yeah I keep going to watch it and its never on UK Netflix, which is just laziness really as I do have unblock us and I am sure its always in some region.

[Harsin]

Bucky's main accomplishment in the first film is presumably having a threesome (with one of the participants being Doctor Who's companion) after Steve ditches his lady to go hang out with Stanley Tucci.

Steve later balances the books of copping off with geek show crumpet by snogging Maegery Tyrell behind some shelves.

[Broker]

Monsizeroster pls

[Eighthours]

Winter Soilder is great, much better than the first.

Winter Soldier is the best MCU film. Some brilliantly tense stuff in it.

[IcEBuRN]

Iron Man is just a man in a suit at the end of the day with no real fighting training. Take away some of his abilities like flight or making him fight in close quarters like this scene suggests and he becomes a lot easier to fight. They're using their supperior strength and training to knock him down and the shield and arm to block his energy shots. It's very plausible.

Yeah but the point is they don't have superior strength against iron man. They can karate chop him all they want, but based on iron mans other strength feats and the durability of the armour, he shouldn't even flinch, and one hit from the suit should basically kill a person if stark wanted. I'll give you O'Hare's magic arm though, it's quite strong.

Meh, I guess it's just one of those normal things...the heroes are as strong/weak/skilled as the writers need them to be to help the plot. I'm definitely driving myself down a rabbit hole here. I remember thinking the same when cap and bucky were fighting in the second film. That arm could twat the shit out of stuff, yet cap took a bunch of blows from it!?

Imma not let me finish.

[JohnC]

We don't even know the context of the scene and what may have happened before. It may not be fully working or some other comic book thing. At least wait until we have some idea before coming over full Comic Book Guy.

[taurusnipple]

Yeah but the point is they don't have superior strength against iron man. They can karate chop him all they want, but based on iron mans other strength feats and the durability of the armour, he shouldn't even flinch, and one hit from the suit should basically kill a person if stark wanted. I'll give you O'Hare's magic arm though, it's quite strong.

Meh, I guess it's just one of those normal things...the heroes are as strong/weak/skilled as the writers need them to be to help the plot. I'm definitely driving myself down a rabbit hole here. I remember thinking the same when cap and bucky were fighting in the second film. That arm could twat the shit out of stuff, yet cap took a bunch of blows from it!?

Imma not let me finish.

I don't have a problem with that scene in the trailer, it looks awesome and I'm glad Stark is getting a deserved beat down.

Do you have problems with the Iron Man v Thor fight in Avengers? (Thor should have wrecked ass)

[IcEBuRN]

Maybe it's just a thing I have. Those kinda details I fixate on...

Yet, seemingly large plot holes, which I notice I can quite easily dismiss through enjoyment. Because shit mang, it looks awesome!

I don't have a problem with the cap v thor fight. It looks like thor would have (and should have) battered him given more time.

*disclaimer - iron man is one of my least favourite mcu characters (apart from hawkeye) I've got no cares about him being battered.

As a side note; Everyone should watch the you toob of 'everything that's wrong with age of ultron', that's kinda how I'm thinking, just only with certain aspects.

[Mr Cochese]

I hate those "everything wrong with" videos, as it entirely sums up the average Internet nerd commentator's inability to appreciate anything artistic on any level beyond logical consistency.

[Delargey]

Capt is pretty strong too. In the last movie he lobbed a motorbike, didn't he?

[Commander Jameson]

I hate those "everything wrong with" videos, as it entirely sums up the average Internet nerd commentator's inability to appreciate anything artistic on any level beyond logical consistency.

I don't think they're meant to be taken seriously.

[Liquid Myth]

I hate those "everything wrong with" videos, as it entirely sums up the average Internet nerd commentator's inability to appreciate anything artistic on any level beyond logical consistency.

Ripping this off SA, but:

AoU is a fucking ugly film visually, and that's not even getting to how badly it deals with the themes it tries to set up.