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[Mr Cochese]

6 hours ago, Nequests said:

I've thought this for a while.  In a world in which everyone seems fairly used to superheroes flying around all over the place, would there really be such an averse reaction to the arrival of mutants? It seems less likely somehow, and the X-Men much less important.

 

They can reboot it all they like, but I'd much rather they left it as it's own thing.

It'd be more realistic if all the mutants were gay or black. (Weirdly, I've noticed that you'll get people among the X-Fan community who are really into the anti-mutant prejudice angle, but when it comes to Iceman being gay will come out with stuff like "there's nothing natural about a man kissing another man". What are mutants a metaphor for, rich white guys who alone possess the uncanny power to save the world from deviancy?)

[Harsin]

I'm with Nequests on this one, the whole core conceit of the X-Men becomes really dumb when you stick them in a world already full of superheroes.

 

"Get out of here you filthy mutie!"

"Actually I was bitten by a badger that was bathed in cosmic rays which was also the reincarnation of an Egyptian god."

"You're alright mate."

 

[Mr Cochese]

You'd have to tone down the hysteria a bit. Hero team mutants would be "our muties", like Queer Eye or Graham Norton, but people would still hate it when their kids come out as freaks, or when they're mugged by someone who can disintegrate your pants with their eyes.

[Harsin]

They should make an X-Men film that just consists of Kitty Pryde angrily approaching random black people and asking how they'd feel if they were called the n word.

[Mr Cochese]

Kitty Pryde And The Mystery Of The Series Of Just Very Close Friends

[Mr Cochese]

Sunspot: Diagnosis Vitiligo

[Don Rosco]

I'm not familiar with the X-Men in comics - is there not loads of mutants that have mutations that aren't super powers that would be discriminated against? Like Kid Knee from Strontium Dog. 

 

[Mr Cochese]

This Summer, Matt Damon *is* Glob Herman.
 

[Lorfarius]

I'd pay to see that.

[Harsin]

Mostly they're attractive looking mofos with superpowers, with occasional blue person thrown in for pathos. 

 

I think in the Last Stand you have supermodel looking Halle Berry whose mutation is that she can control the fucking weather, which is kicking rad, sanctimoniously lecturing the poor sods who have actual debilitating powers for considering taking the mutation cure.

[Pelekophoros]

Wait. Outcry against mutants would be out of place in a film series that has gone to quite reasonable lengths to show society and the powers that be struggling to accept superheroes and wrestling with how to control them and limit them? And some of those heroes themselves wrestling with the role they play and the terror they can unleash?

[Smitty]

Would the mutants really get the same reaction in a world full of superheros?

 

It really does damage to that side of things.

[Iain]

There probably is an angle where you could make mutants a threat.  For most normal people living in the MCU these super heroes are only seen on TV. You would see big battles in New York, Sokovia etc. but most people wouldn't think these could happen in your back yard and you would never see Iron Man or Thor flying overhead causing havoc.  If suddenly there is a mutation where your friends or family could have superpowers then suddenly all the destruction seen on peoples TV would suddenly feel a lot closer to home.

[Azrael]

Jessica Jones and Luke Cage touched on themes of anti-superhero feelings amongst the public. 

 

 

[JohnC]

There was the whole registration and unmasking thing in Civil War too. That was part of it, right?

[Harsin]

In the comic yeah.

 

The comic was also dumb as a bag of rocks. The film was a huge improvement on it

[Don Rosco]

It’s a great idea, but the ending of Civil War actually was the death knell for me buying monthly issues of comics. I just stopped dead when that came out. 

[BruceBruce]

On 21/06/2018 at 08:54, TehStu said:

Ironically, you're still paying for it. ESPN dues are independent of TV subscription, because of the  (increasingly limited) mobile access you get. I have local only TV, and yet they still charge me a fee. Off the top of my head, it's a couple of bucks.

 

I don't have cable and I'm in the US.  I ain't paying for shit except for PBS.

[TehStu]

8 hours ago, BruceBruce said:

 

I don't have cable and I'm in the US.  I ain't paying for shit except for PBS.

Pos for PBS, but I meant the internet part of cable. If you can avoid that, that's awesome. We can't. It's 1 cable provider or 1 DSL provider that's as fast as treacle. Maybe it's just my particular cable internet that mandates this ESPN surcharge.

[Pelekophoros]

On 22/06/2018 at 18:04, Smitty said:

Would the mutants really get the same reaction in a world full of superheros?

 

It really does damage to that side of things.

 

I don't know, I guess it depends on the quality of the story and writing.

 

Which means I don't agree with your statement. It's not as black and white as that. 

[Jammy]

On 22/06/2018 at 18:04, Smitty said:

Would the mutants really get the same reaction in a world full of superheros?

 

It really does damage to that side of things.

 

The ‘accepted’ superpowered humans in the films/comics are all changed at a cellular level by accidental or experimental means, whether that’s cosmic rays, irradiated spiders, gamma radiation, super soldier serum etc etc. Those are still mutations by definition, so the distinction would have to be emphasised. Natural, spontaneous, unaided mutation because the person carries the X-Gene, which is an evolutionary leap, rather than the genetic modification that happened to Spidey, Captain America, the FF etc. That would be how you introduce the fear/hatred of mutants, which is exactly how the comics did it - even in a world full of superheroes - and how they treat it in the Fox movies. Regular humans feel threatened by what they see as a new leap in evolution, and the eventual extinction of homo sapiens through interbreeding and/or annihilation.

 

You only have to look at how terrified white supremacists are that everyone will be mixed heritage in fifty years to see how it could happen.

[Smitty]

1 hour ago, Pelekophoros said:

 

I don't know, I guess it depends on the quality of the story and writing.

 

Which means I don't agree with your statement. It's not as black and white as that. 

 

To be honest dude, I don't really care to argue about it.. I'm just expressing my personal preference for the X Men to be outside the MCU. I'm tired of every superhero film having to be linked to 100 other superhero films.

 

If you like it, GREAT. That's great. There are 100 more coming and you can enjoy know that all of these characters are meant to exist in the same world. You've already won, so there's really no need to concern yourself with my view.

[Comrade]

Personally, I’ve never been a fan of the whole “anti-mutant sentiment is an analogue for racism or homophobia or what have you” metaphor. I’d probably be against gay marriage myself if it somehow facilitated people who can fire lasers out of their eyes walking around unregulated.

[Sarlaccfood]

I always thought that for every mutant that could fly or heal fast there was 10 that just had an abnormality like slugs for eyes or purple knees.

 

So the X-men (and Brotherhood in their own way) were the fortunate  powerful ones that were standing up for those guys. 

[Smitty]

Contrarily i, as a mixed race gay man with mental health problems, have always found it an interesting metaphor.

 

Mystique rebutting the idea that we could all hide away to avoid conflict with the line "we shouldn't have to", is a powerful line to me.

[BruceBruce]

On 23/06/2018 at 08:43, TehStu said:

Pos for PBS, but I meant the internet part of cable. If you can avoid that, that's awesome. We can't. It's 1 cable provider or 1 DSL provider that's as fast as treacle. Maybe it's just my particular cable internet that mandates this ESPN surcharge.

 

I just buy a wifi hotspot called "xfinitywifi" and its 25 mbits down and 5 mbits up and completely unlimited with no slowdowns.

 

If I buy their "in-home" network its cheaper and has higher speed, but there's a 1 TB cap.  But nothing about any ESPN surcharges. 

[MansizeRooster]

My fingers are crossed for an Iron Man + Doctor Strange team-up against Dr Doom

[Pelekophoros]

16 hours ago, Smitty said:

 

To be honest dude, I don't really care to argue about it.. I'm just expressing my personal preference for the X Men to be outside the MCU. I'm tired of every superhero film having to be linked to 100 other superhero films.

 

If you like it, GREAT. That's great. There are 100 more coming and you can enjoy know that all of these characters are meant to exist in the same world. You've already won, so there's really no need to concern yourself with my view.

 

Well, I'm not sure that I've won. I'm not really bothered whether X-Men are part of MCU or not - as a film series it's been pretty hit and miss over the years and now that Jackman has hung up his claws I don't feel much connection to it (Christ, he's been in the part since I was 18!).

 

I just don't necessarily believe that being a part of the MCU automatically makes the anti-mutant message of the series a difficult thing to achieve. In fact, given some of the underlying sub plots that have been hinted at but not particularly well explored (arms deals in Spiderman, populations resisting Stark's Iron Army despite them being there to help etc) it may be the hook the MCU needs to explore some these elements in a little more depth.

 

I'd agree that, in reality, they'll likely go for Crash Bang Whallop, but you never know.

[Mr Cochese]

The mutants are also a generation gap metaphor. Mutants are normal kids until they hit puberty, and then their body changes and they become rockers or hippies or punks or hoodies or millenials, with different values and found families, and their parents don't understand what they're about (like the Bowie song Oh You Pretty Things). The Gifted mostly ploughs this furrow, even though its yoof angle also makes it a bit naff.

[JohnC]

Comcast won’t be trying to trump Disney again. They’re dropping efforts to focus on buying Sky instead.