Nintendo Switch

[Strafe]

http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Nintendo-Switch/Nintendo-Switch-Online/Nintendo-Switch-Online-1183143.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=NintendoSwitchOnline|w32

 

Depends how voice chat and parties get implemented but not a bad deal. Less than half the price of PSN/Xbox live. Granted, you don’t get the games* but it is a very rare occasion I bother with the free games anyway. 

 

*barring NES classics of course 

[strawdonkey]

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Securely back up your console’s save data to the cloud.

Please note: not compatible with all software.

 

Not compatible with all software! That's ominous.

[SozzlyJoe]

Can you really consider it any sort of deal when they are making you pay for stuff you currently get for nothing? It's never going to be as cheap as it is now. I get the defense where they've been giving it free out of the goodness of their hearts to us 'early adopters', rings pretty hollow given how bare bones it is.

Still, I actually am looking forward to the NES games, so there's that.

 

[Strafe]

I think people had a similar attitude to PSN.

 

I’ve had it free for a year. The party system is non existent but online multiplayer has been more or less solid (Splatoon, Mario kart, rocket league, paladins, Fortnite).

 

Putting cloud saves behind a paywall when there is no option to back up on an external device is kind of a dick move but I think most of us will sleep better at night knowing a 200 hour zelda save is safe.

[SozzlyJoe]

8 minutes ago, Strafe said:

I think people had a similar attitude to PSN.

 

 

I doubt that, PS+ was spectacular at the start with all the free games. I gladly paid for it in its own right on the PS3. In a way they used that as a trojan horse to make it basically mandatory with the PS4, which people weren't happy with but grudgingly accepted as the online had improved substantially and you still got the games on top. Needless to say, the general quality of the free games has declined since then, fancy that!

 

Not sure what the value proposition of Nintendo is, apart from "everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't we?" I remember people bitching about the absence of Party chat on PS3, and how stuff like that meant it couldn't really compete with Live and so had to remain free.

 

But now we have Nintendo entering the fray, with not only the lack of the party chat, but lacking even the ability to send your friends messages! Now there is some big old cojones!

[Strafe]

Just now, SozzlyJoe said:

 

I doubt that, PS+ was spectacular at the start with all the free games. I gladly paid for it in its own right on the PS3. In a way they used that as a trojan horse to make it basically mandatory with the PS4, which people weren't happy with but grudgingly accepted as the online had improved substantially and you still got the games on top. Needless to say, the general quality of the free games has declined since then, fancy that!

 

Not sure what the value proposition of Nintendo is, apart from "everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't we?"

 

Well yeah. It’s less than half the price. It’s better value to me in that respect because it is very rare anything turns up on Gold or PS plus that I want (mainly because if I did, I’d have got it at launch).

 

I suppose the value proposition is that I got a free service for a year and now I have to pay for it. I don’t feel that ripped off. Xbox live was always £40 (wasn’t it?) and that was just for (a very good) online MP.

[SozzlyJoe]

I can't get my head around this value aspect. It offers me next to no value. I wouldn't even subscribe but for the fact my kid plays a lot of Minecraft online . I certainly won't be getting the 'family option' (where your savings over Xbox suddenly evaporate, to get the same level of access as it includes). Just feels like a shakedown.

 

[Shimmyhill]

I pay more to have all my passwords in an app backed up online so maybe I’m a mug but it seems a fair price for Nintendo’s - it was great when it was free and now it’s not badly priced.

 

I did sell my Xbone as didn’t want to pay for live as barely used the machine and if I did it was online, I can certinally see why people are miffed to pay a fee if they aren’t heavy online users.

[Strafe]

Well the value is it’s a service and you pay for it and get value from it, if that’s your kind of thing.

 

It’s just been free up until now so you could think of it as an 18 month free sub (or however long you’ve had your machine)

 

Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather it was free and the whole app idea is total bullshit.

[Strafe]

What shimmyhill said. I’m easily doing 20 hours a week online but I’d be a bit miffed if all I wanted to do was check my score on a leaderboard or download the odd minecraft map every month.

[Marlew]

I'll pay £1.50 a month for a rotating library of NES shit, happily. The rest doesn't bother me, even cloud saves. The only thing I would care about losing is my Isaac save but after 300 hrs I'm pretty much done with it, anyway. 

[Wonderm]

Its just a shame it'll be the same recycled NES games that have been knocking round for years. Price is hardly prohibitive but first impressions just seem lazy- at least open up the relatively untapped market (for Nintendo VC anyway) of GBA games or N64 rather than the same old same old. 

 

Seems bizarre to me that it's easier to play something like Metroid Zero Mission on my vita than Nintendo's actual hardware. 

 

Oh well I'll still pay it anyway and just moan

[deKay]

2 hours ago, Wonderm said:

Seems bizarre to me that it's easier to play something like Metroid Zero Mission on my vita than Nintendo's actual hardware. 

 

It's on the Wii U eShop.

 

It's also a piece of piss to get it running on a 3DS, albeit not officially.

[Sarlaccfood]

2 hours ago, Wonderm said:

Its just a shame it'll be the same recycled NES games that have been knocking round for years. Price is hardly prohibitive but first impressions just seem lazy- at least open up the relatively untapped market (for Nintendo VC anyway) of GBA games or N64 rather than the same old same old. 

 

Seems bizarre to me that it's easier to play something like Metroid Zero Mission on my vita than Nintendo's actual hardware. 

 

Oh well I'll still pay it anyway and just moan

 

Yeah agreed.  If other consoles get added to the service further down the line, why not say so? I get they don't want to just put everything on there at once and would rather stagger things to give everything its' own time in the sun (which I'm fine with as it means I'll actually give things a proper go) but why the secrecy?

 

[Stanley]

It's Nintendo.

[Lovelyman]

Do any of the 8bitdo or other decent third party pads (wireless) allow you to sleep/wake the switch? 

[Strafe]

I can’t even wake my Switch with a pro pad. If there’s an option to enable it, it’s well hidden.

 

EDIT: you can use the home button .

[Strafe]

34 minutes ago, Mrs Horribleman said:

Do any of the 8bitdo or other decent third party pads (wireless) allow you to sleep/wake the switch? 

 

Mine (the SF pro SNES one) doesn’t. It seems it won’t connect whilst the switch is sleeping, unlike the pro or joycons.

[Lovelyman]

14 minutes ago, Strafe said:

 

Mine (the SF pro SNES one) doesn’t. It seems it won’t connect whilst the switch is sleeping, unlike the pro or joycons.

Yeah that's the one I have (without the analogue sticks). 

[Strafe]

I’ve got the analogue sticks one (apparently) designed for Switch but it must be missing that function. The pro is better anyway, the 8bitdo thing is more for novelty value. Great sticks though. Like OG Dual shocks but not limp.

[CovisGod]

13 hours ago, Stanshall said:

I'll pay £1.50 a month for a rotating library of NES shit, happily. The rest doesn't bother me, even cloud saves. The only thing I would care about losing is my Isaac save but after 300 hrs I'm pretty much done with it, anyway. 

 

Is it genuinely £1.50 a month? And people are complaining about paying it? 

 

I'm the world's most skint man but even I can find that to back up my saves and play some. NES Classics. 

[Marvin Morris]

On 12/08/2018 at 12:12, Strafe said:

 

 

If this actually is switch it looks rather impressive.

 

This does indeed look good. V Rally reminds me of younger days with the PS One. Jeez.. I must have been in primary school still.

 

I've been longing for a racing game on the switch so this is excellent news.

 

Also.. about the Nintendo Online - it's a real bummer that it's only NES games on the library of games. I was hoping for SNES, N64 and GC games. I've always thought a Nintendo version of Netflix would be the way to go. It could also be a good way for Nintendo to gain insight into the demand for games like F Zero and Wave Racer and other franchise that they've yet to resurrect.

 

 

[nakamura]

On 12/08/2018 at 12:12, Strafe said:

 

 

If this actually is switch it looks rather impressive.

30fps and horrible bloom lighting. It's like the worst last gen racers all over again. It looks so average.

[the_debaser]

Dunno about you guys but I’ve had free online Nintendo gaming since the days of the DS and Wii. It has not just been free for a year, more like well over a decade. 

 

£20 isn’t a huge amount, and I’ll stump up so my Splatoon 2 machine isn’t a brick, but it’s basically for a service which has previously been free plus cloud backup which is also offered for free by a million online companies.  I also have no desire to replay the 5 or so NES games that are still worth playing again.

 

Feels a bit mean of Nintendo given we are all paying the premium switch tax whenever we buy a game on the system. 

[Shimmyhill]

31 minutes ago, the_debaser said:

Dunno about you guys but I’ve had free online Nintendo gaming since the days of the DS and Wii. It has not just been free for a year, more like well over a decade. 

 

£20 isn’t a huge amount, and I’ll stump up so my Splatoon 2 machine isn’t a brick, but it’s basically for a service which has previously been free plus cloud backup which is also offered for free by a million online companies.  I also have no desire to replay the 5 or so NES games that are still worth playing again.

 

Feels a bit mean of Nintendo given we are all paying the premium switch tax whenever we buy a game on the system. 

 

So no different to when Sony and MS went from free to fee payable then, well other than cheaper - both have charged for cloud backups (don’t think ms do these days but still need live to play online) and Nintendo are just late to the party to charging!

[Junker]

15 hours ago, Wonderm said:

Its just a shame it'll be the same recycled NES games that have been knocking round for years. Price is hardly prohibitive but first impressions just seem lazy- at least open up the relatively untapped market (for Nintendo VC anyway) of GBA games or N64 rather than the same old same old. 

 

Seems bizarre to me that it's easier to play something like Metroid Zero Mission on my vita than Nintendo's actual hardware. 

 

Oh well I'll still pay it anyway and just moan

I think I’m the same. I was hoping for a curated set of multiplayer games that they’d enabled to play online from different generations, not just NES. I know they might do others in the future but for now this seems pretty tame.

 I wonder if we’ll get a system update, I guess we’ll have to?  and what that will look like?

 

[rgraves]

Somebody, can't remember who now sorry, was asking about the 3rd-party M002 docks and the latest firmware - I can now confirm I've used mine for a week (with an official power supply) with no problems at all. No bricked console.

 

Also - just spotted this - does anyone have one? Looks pretty dandy - especially with the in-built ethernet port:

 

http://amzn.eu/5o8pJqq

 

[SozzlyJoe]

Looks cool, but the Amazon reviews all sound fake as fuck.

 

"Bought this adapter for my boyfriend.With its easy connection and smooth output, he enjoyed the game more!"

 

 

It might be a lot to drag around given the connector to the Switch is very short. Though of course if you are in docked mode, not so much an issue. I've just had my kid pull the whole dock over when trying to use wired stuff, could imagine the Switch going crash on the floor.

 

 

[Strafe]

Well you'd only use it in docked mode. Why would you use it otherwise?

[SozzlyJoe]

32 minutes ago, Strafe said:

Well you'd only use it in docked mode. Why would you use it otherwise?

 

So if you use it in docked mode, one of the features is all those usb connectors, presumably for headphones, controllers etc. So the switch would be lying down and sliding about everywhere as the link from the widget to the Switch itself is very short. Not an issue for Joycons, it is true. Actually, to be fair I am nitpicking here as this is an arguably even worse issue on the official dock. It just flat out falls over.

 

(The weird reviews also say stuff like 'Portable, you can enjoy a game anytime anywhere.' Which is why I think they are fake. EDIT: Hmm, unless they mean to use as a travel dock. Which is where I could see it being useful.)