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15 minutes ago, Strafe said:


It’s helpful that the link they include in that article is Emily literally being wrong about the Switch OLED so you know how seriously to take this info. 

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3 hours ago, Dudley said:

 

 

 

You don't keep the DLC if the sub expires though.

 

 

Yeah, it's nuts to me. You're renting a handful of N64 games (and some Genesis re-releases) AND DLC. 

 

The N64 is a strange one to me now. A lot of nostalgia for it as it was my first proper system besides my gameboy. Both Zelda games and Starfox have excellent enhanced 3DS remasters which you can play on that system or emulate for even better results. Both Turok games have excellent enhanced remasters, I never paid them any mind back in the day but they more than rival the other FPS's on the system IMO. The excellent RARE Replay has a lot of their N64 games and a pretty much perfected Perfect Dark. The leaked version of the X360 Goldeneye was amazing as well. Played that earlier in the year, the first time I ever unlocked all the levels and difficulties as well. I'm never going back to the N64 versions of those.

 

What I would want from an N64 collection would be some stuff like Ogre Battle 64, F-Zero X with the expansion pak from the N64-DD, Excitebike 64, I'd probably give 1080 and Wave Race a go again. At least Sin and Punishment is on there. Although I bought that on my Wii ages ago...sigh. 

 

That new N64 controller is making the SNES Classic with two controllers and 21 games look like a right bargain back then.

 

 

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I've seen numerous takes that $30 extra is too much for the N64 & Genesis games & I agree, but they all seem to miss that that includes the Animal Crossing DLC which is $25 by itself, making the N64 & Genesis games $5.

 

Nintendo could have introduced a middle tier where the base option plus N64 & Genesis was $25 or even $30 (making the 'full fat' option have a $5 discount on the AC DLC) but they didn't, leading me to think that they weren't sure how well the AC DLC would sell on its own (how did the Splatoon one do?) & so they joined them together in an attempt to boost sales.

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I think the AC DLC is more pragmatism than anything - of all the first party games, that's the one most likely to have multiple accounts and Switches per household, they probably figured upping the family membership will get more uptake than asking people to shell out for multiple copies of the DLC.

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15 minutes ago, Jarik said:

I've seen numerous takes that $30 extra is too much for the N64 & Genesis games & I agree, but they all seem to miss that that includes the Animal Crossing DLC which is $25 by itself, making the N64 & Genesis games $5.

It’s a rolling fee, so if you intend to continue playing the Animal Crossing DLC after the first year, you pay again for it, and again ..

 

At this juncture I feel they need explain their plans going forward and how it’s a better value proposition for family members.

 

I mean put it this way my daughter is going crazy about the Animal Crossing stuff but she has barely even touched any NES or SNES games, so why should she be interested in N64 or Megadrive?

 

Animal Crossing is their biggest game, and for most families it probably makes more sense to buy the DLC outright and continue with the cheaper base sub required for online functionality.

 

So, yeah, it’s only $5 for the N64 and Megadrive games, but I suspect most families have no interest in them, or the NES and SNES. 

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I understand that it’s a rolling fee, but Nintendo have clarified that you can keep everything you bring from the DLC into your main island if you don’t renew.  You just can’t access the resort anymore.  For some people a year of ‘work’ might be enough.

 

Perhaps this is Nintendo testing the waters & when it comes time to renew they won’t offer something else also worth about $25, and if they do it will be something that goes away completely if you don’t resub, like a Splatoon 3 expansion. 

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11 hours ago, deKay said:


AC has cloud saves.

 

Not really no.  Cloud save means I can pick up another switch and immediately continue my game.

 

It doesn't mean specifically remember to perform an arkane process while the game lectures me about how I'm allowed to use it.

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3 minutes ago, Dudley said:

 

Not really no.  Cloud save means I can pick up another switch and immediately continue my game.

 

It doesn't mean specifically remember to perform an arkane process while the game lectures me about how I'm allowed to use it.


Cloud save to me means it’s backed up “in the cloud”.

 

The system on the Switch generally doesn’t work reliably enough for what you describe. Most of the time when I’ve tried the saves are out of sync and need manually prodding anyway.

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4 minutes ago, Dudley said:

 

Not really no.  Cloud save means I can pick up another switch and immediately continue my game.

 

It doesn't mean specifically remember to perform an arkane process while the game lectures me about how I'm allowed to use it.

I did this yesterday with the app, on two Switchs, running simultaneously. Kind of bizarre. But yeah, that is definitely not what most people understand cloud saves to mean. 

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Claiming it's really only a fiver for the N64 and MD stuff is a bit much, when there's no option to not have the DLC for a game I neither own nor want. It's £35 for the pack. Want any one specific part of it? £35. That's your option. None of it is £5.

 

While I'll probably move up to the higher tier at some point, I'll not be in any rush. 

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11 minutes ago, deKay said:


Cloud save to me means it’s backed up “in the cloud”.

 

The system on the Switch generally doesn’t work reliably enough for what you describe. Most of the time when I’ve tried the saves are out of sync and need manually prodding anyway.

 

Another reason not to pay for it.

 

Microsoft's system is seamless, Sony's isn't but is at least getting better and doesn't lecture you that you're history's greatest monster if you're using it and your old switch isn't under a truck.

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It kind of suggests the N64 games are pretty much worthless. And they are, in that they should be shovelling them to us for free for paying to put up with the shitty service in the first place, like they do with the NES & SNES stuff.

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I think licensing might be a major part of it.  What did Nintendo have to agree to to get Banjo-Kazooie, a game without which the service would be much less worthwhile?  Could they possibly manage Goldeneye under a similar sort of deal?

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This is the problem isn’t it, nostalgia. F-Zero X is still brilliant and worth playing, but Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask; there are better versions out there from Nintendo themselves, and bar dipping in for a bit of nostalgia I can’t see myself putting much time into Mario Kart 64 when Mario Kart 8 exists. 
 

I used to love Pilot Wings 64 but how it holds up these days I’ve no idea, same with Wave Rave.

 

Hopefully the catalogue will be expanded and we get stuff like Bangaio, but overall I don’t  think the N64 is anywhere near as good as the SNES, Castlevania is crap, there’s no Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, no Metroid, etc. 

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