Nintendo Switch

[rubberducker]

13 minutes ago, VN1X said:

(I agree VR isn't all that) 

Yet.

[DarhkFox]

Just now, rubberducker said:

Yet.

 

With touch controls its much better. The difference between using a joypad and touch controls is night and day. Would be nice to have better graphics/resolution though (VR in general)

[Nespresso]

36 minutes ago, macosx said:

merit

 

I'm not a native speaker so I hope you feel proud of yourself now you Nazi.

 

I'm not even going to fix it as I want the world to see what kind of a knobhead you are! 

[rgraves]

11 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

 

Not remotely close.

Go on then Shrew - give us this list of more powerful portable gaming devices - ones that obviously are considerably cheaper as they don't have to include novelty motion controllers etc right? I mean you're not going to give us a list of stuff that costs more than the scandalously expensive Swtich are you.....

[BarryL85]

7 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

There's some cognitive dissonance going on in this thread.

 

Would be fabulous if you could back this statement up with some hard evidence. 

 

7 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

The Wii U was a commercial failure, can we at least agree on this fact. The three reasons this can be attributed to are:

 

*Slow release schedule after launch.

*The gamepad wasn't popular with devs/consumers.

*The cost of the console was too high due to the gamepad.

 

The Switch was supposed to relieve these problems. As a concept it seems to work better than the Wii U, but we're learning Nintendo may not have consolidated home and handheld development after all. This is primarily a home console - it has a handful of big games in it's first year, a number of which are old Wii U titles. So it doesn't address the first point.

To achieve portability we have slightly souped-up Wii U (last gen) tech retailing at a price higher than competitiors. Portability is the new Gamepad. It's the thing that bumps up the price, keeps the tech below competitor levels. We'll have to wait and see how popular it proves to be, or whether we're in for Wii U mk.II.

 

Just because the Wii U failed in these areas does not mean the switch will, this is what you just cannot comprehend, it's a different device with different purpose and messaging.

 

On your three points...

*The Switch has over 100 games in development, i'm not sure this could ever have been said about the Wii U.

*The Wii U was a home console with a dedicated second screen, Devs didn't know what to do with it. - That does not in any way describe the Switch.

*£250, is that really too much for a new console? Do you expect Nintendo to take a loss on all hardware they produce? 

 

The PS4 and Xbox One also had a handful of old ported games or split release games (old/next gen) in the first year, it done them no harm. I will concede that the console should have had a first party game solely developed for the Switch, Mario should have launched with the system to alleviate thoughts of "Zelda is just a Wii U port".

 

Other than 3rd party titles PS4 had to offer Killzone, Rezogun & Knack - Xbone had Forza 5, Dead Rising 3 & Ryse - I think i'd rather play Zelda and Snipperclips.

 

A portable (more powerful) Wii U is amazing, I can't believe what they have achieved here, this is some next gen shit, having the power that it does in it's small form factor is huge, nothing before it has come close with such a big name in gaming behind it. When I first got my Vita I just wished the games were a scaled down version so I could continue playing games on the go that I was playing on my PS3. This does that except the games aren't scaled down (minus resolution and possibly frames).

 

7 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

You scoff at my circumstance but I am paying for functionality I will not use. I would take either a power boost or cheaper RRP over portability.

 

Then don't buy it, your problem with the device is that it doesn't fit into a particular use case for yourself. Stick to your more powerful home console and buy a cheap portable while we get balls deep in Zelda on the go.

[Mallet]

I finished Ocarina of Time on my 2DS last night, it looks brilliant so I couldn't give a damn about how powerful it is. I have my PC if I want top graphics, I want my consoles to be plug and play which is something the Microsoft and Sony consoles have left behind with huge patches and day one updates. When I open up a game I want to be playing it now not hours later when it's finished updating.

[MikeBeaver]

58 minutes ago, jatpool said:

Grey makes sense but i wish the console was black and the pads were black for full stealth mode. I would then wear a ninja outfit and play in public.

 

But how would people see you if you were in stealth mode? Nintendo's word of mouth marketing campaign would be fucked !

 

 

[BarryL85]

Just now, sir shrew said:

 

I can play PS4 games on Vita. It's impressive, but quickly becomes impractical.

 

And it isn't next-gen shit. At all. It's new money for old rope.

 

 

I'm swaying towards cancelling my neon preorder (again). Plenty of launch day stock by all accounts.

 

Out of everything I counter argued this is the only points you brought up?

 

Playing the PS4 on the Vita is horrendous, Not enough buttons, analogue sticks are horrible, If they only would let you hook up a Dual Shock 4 it would be so much better. The worst thing of all though is the lag, it's too distracting and ruins it for me.

 

How is it not next gen? Because it can't do 4k 60fps or play Battlefield? I see it as a huge leap forward from certain aspects especially as a portable. Only you could see a new concept with some truly amazing features as "old rope". 

[gingerling]

Sobered up and back in the game! 

[stefcha]

1 hour ago, MikeBeaver said:

Most people who want a PS4 have one, or are getting one, it's several years old now.

 

While it might seem to have been out for an eternity, it's just over 3. Still, I agree it's probably a good time for the Switch to come out, long enough since the last big ones came out, and due to the new incremental upgrade strategy there's no real "ooh I'd best wait for the next Xbox/Playstation" in the same sense as there might have been either.

[Shimmyhill]

1 minute ago, sir shrew said:

Well Edge agree with me so I can't be that mental. Stolen from Gaf:

 

 

All of that being out of date, gawd bless the press!

 

Also BTW edge, a PS4 Pro + PVVR = £700 so not cheaper than a Switch + Zelda, unless they are saying you should buy a PSVR on its own but even thats still not cheaper than Switch plus Zelda - perfect that @sir shrew posted that really!

[rgraves]

3 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

Also BTW edge, a PS4 Pro + PVVR = £700 so not cheaper than a Switch + Zelda, unless they are saying you should buy a PSVR on its own but even thats still not cheaper than Switch plus Zelda - perfect that @sir shrew posted that really!

Bit more than that Shimmy - if you are including Zelda on the Switch side of the equation, you have to have a decent full-priced game on the other side as well surely?

[Girth Certificate]

did we get confirmation if Fifa is the 'proper' game or the 360/PS3 version yet?

[stefcha]

30 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

I'm stuck. Why is this exciting or a thing I would want to do?

 

Picture this; You're playing a game on the big TV and you're in the midst of an interminably long yet unskippable cutscene*. You're gripped**. Disaster then strikes, you find yourself desperately needing a dump but just can't put the game down. You've only got moments as you're touching cloth but you're torn, what do you do!? Fortunately there's a resolution to this dilemma, only on Nintendo Switch! 

 

If you find that neither exciting or something you'd want to do then you're just weird.

 

* Given there's a Xenoblade game coming out, this isn't unlikely

** Given there's a Xenoblade game coming out, this is unlikely

[rgraves]

1 minute ago, _Pow_ said:

did we get confirmation if Fifa is the 'proper' game or the 360/PS3 version yet?

Nothing 100% either way, but Peter Moore did say this in response to people saying it was the 360/PS3 version:

 

 

 

[robotattack]

5 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

All of that being out of date, gawd bless the press!

 

Also BTW edge, a PS4 Pro + PVVR = £700 so not cheaper than a Switch + Zelda, unless they are saying you should buy a PSVR on its own but even thats still not cheaper than Switch plus Zelda - perfect that @sir shrew posted that really!

 

 

What's out of date? The only part that's different now is that a few indie games have been added to the launch line-up and even the inclusion of those hasn't made it particularly strong. 

 

And the cost thing was PS4 Pro or PSVR, the point being that you could invest that kind of money elsewhere rather than Nintendo's latest potential box of folly.

 

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There are bad decisions in isolation that only look worse in a wider context. At launch, a Switch with Breath of the Wild will set you back £340, and that buys the fan of videogames an awful lot in 2017. Add an extra tenner and it will give you PS4 Pro or PSVR hardware. You could buy a Slim PS4 with Uncharted 4 and keep £140 in your pocket. You could get an Xbox One S with similar cash to spare., or leave it all in the bank and put it towards Microsoft's Scorpio - which, as its maker is so keen to remind us, will be the most powerful console in the entire universe. 

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[dataDave]

I'd settle for a portable 360 version of FIFA regardless. It would look ace on that screen, on a train, playing with a complete stranger because we're able to detach two controllers.

 

Also, I have a neg-stalker, how cute.

[joe bazooka]

Lunchtime FIFA in offices and schools across the globe. Man!

 

It also needs Rocket League.

[ca18s13]

6 minutes ago, dataDave said:

I'd settle for a portable 360 version of FIFA regardless. It would look ace on that screen, on a train, playing with a complete stranger because we're able to detach two controllers.

 

Also, I have a neg-stalker, how cute.

 

For the few times i get to play it in public (like on a train) this will be amazing.

 

Random person on train "What's that?"

dataDave "Nintendo switch. it's a game console"

Random "What game are you playing?"

dataDave "Fifa, want a game?"

Random "Sure"

dataDave "Can you please put these disposable gloves on before you touch my joycon"

Random ":("

 

Play with a stranger, play with a friend! Me and 3 friends are going on holiday in July and we will have two switches so we will try and play on the plane and in our apartment in between drinking. I'm hyped.

[dataDave]

6 minutes ago, joe bazooka said:

Lunchtime FIFA in offices and schools across the globe. Man!

 

You take your Switch to work for some cheeky FIFA. People get angsty about having to wait their turn, so some other flash cunt buys a Switch himself to free up the waiting queue for a game... but what's this??? 2v2? One pair of players per screen? Oh what!?

 

What if you could have several units linked locally, and then everyone in that group joins an online game vs. some other group somewhere? That would be immense. EA themselves are bigging up the unique social aspects of this version on their site, so who knows what they end up being.

 

@jatpool Ha! Yeah, I'm a stickler for hygiene on my controllers. There's nothing worse than having to scoop out that brown grime from the seams every twelve months, however I do find that oddly satisfying.

[Oracle]

I think if my friends were interested then it might help the case for the Switch but most left Nintendo after the N64.

[ca18s13]

4 minutes ago, dataDave said:

 

You take your Switch to work for some cheeky FIFA. People get angsty about having to wait their turn, so some other flash cunt buys a Switch himself to free up the waiting queue for a game... but what's this??? 2v2? One pair of players per screen? Oh what!?

 

What if you could have several units linked locally, and then everyone in that group joins an online game vs. some other group somewhere? That would be immense. EA themselves are bigging up the unique social aspects of this version on their site, so who knows what they end up being.

 

@jatpool Ha! Yeah, I'm a stickler for hygiene on my controllers. There's nothing worse than having to scoop out that brown grime from the seams every twelve months, however I do find that oddly satisfying.

I'm buying a pack of toothpicks for cleaning to go along with non latex gloves (in case of allergies) for my Switch travel pack.

[joe bazooka]

Just from the excitement in this thread over the last few pages I'm upping my total Switch sell-through prediction to close to 100m!

 

That's based on my personal hypedness and the fact that the people trying to put the Switch down are sounding increasingly deranged. 

 

Not just 100m, the attach rate is gonna be off the chart as well.

 

100m is conservative. If they manage to make enough of them I can see this amazing machine being the end for mobile gaming on telephones. How ironic, they said mobile gaming was going to spell the end for Nintendo.

 

Oh Nintendo, you've done it again, perhaps!

[MikeBeaver]

8 minutes ago, joe bazooka said:

Lunchtime FIFA in offices and schools across the globe. Man!

 

It also needs Rocket League.

 

I'm not a fan of Rocket League, but I'd like to see it on the system as it's a very popular title, and the ability to play it anywhere is certainly sure to tempt some of it's players into buying the console.

 

6 minutes ago, jatpool said:

Play with a stranger, play with a friend! Me and 3 friends are going on holiday in July and we will have two switches so we will try and play on the plane and in our apartment in between drinking. I'm hyped.

 

I'll be in Wales for hammerfest and then the SciFi weekender towards the end of march, this will be with me ( plugged in of course ) for BOTW the whole train ride there and then some 1,2, Switch! will be getting played once I arrive, this solves so many problems of having to take a console OR and handheld in my bags

 

4 minutes ago, dataDave said:

 

You take your Switch to work for some cheeky FIFA. People get angsty about having to wait their turn, so some other flash cunt buys a Switch himself to free up the waiting queue for a game... but what's this??? 2v2? One pair of players per screen? Oh what!?

 

Replace FIFA with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe battle Mode and I think we're on to a winner

[Shimmyhill]

22 minutes ago, robotattack said:

 

What's out of date? The only part that's different now is that a few indie games have been added to the launch line-up and even the inclusion of those hasn't made it particularly strong. 

 

And the cost thing was PS4 Pro or PSVR, the point being that you could invest that kind of money elsewhere rather than Nintendo's latest potential box of folly.

 

 

 

Its out of date and lazy, the piece was obv written at the launch event and now its not accurate.

 

Comparing it to a PSVR is stupid, to play Zelda = £320 to play Rez = £800ish - ohh but I have a PS4 so its 'only' £400ish, I fucking have a Switch so Zelda is only costing me £40 to play 

 

 

 

[joe bazooka]

1 minute ago, Oracle said:

I think if my friends were interested then it might help the case for the Switch but most left Nintendo after the N64.

Your friends sound pretty cool.

[neoELITE]

3 hours ago, sir shrew said:

 

Because the Switch is expensive and underpowered, due the portable functionality.

 

Releasing a cheaper portable-only device down the line reduces the desirability of portable functionality in the original console.

 

Underpowered compared to what?

 

It's more powerful than the Wii U; see Fast Racing RMX for proof from the devs.

 

I'm not sure you'll win in a Nintendo thread by lambasting the power, power, power of their next console (out in just 4 weeks! people) when it just looks like a fantastic bit of technology that people really want to get their hands on.

[g wings]

28 minutes ago, rgraves said:

Nothing 100% either way, but Peter Moore did say this in response to people saying it was the 360/PS3 version:

 

 

 

Most social and authentic?

 

I bet we get to bottle people in virtual pubs with the joycons...

[dataDave]

Your friends sound pretty cool.

 

Well, let's face the facts: The Gamecube was for kids and didn't have any games, the Wii never had any real games, and the WiiU didn't have any games of any kind whatsoever. They've not really missed out on much.

[joe bazooka]

Was more the thought of 'leaving' Nintendo.