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Slashfilm are thinking it might be PG13, though that seems to be based on there being no red-band trailer

https://youtu.be/UUx5QKUAvhE

There is some talent behind this remake. Its written by The Revenant co-writer Mark L. Smith and directed by the Goetz Brothers (Scenic Route). That should make the Martyrs remake look slightly more appealing, but Anchor Bay seems to be dumping the film and the trailer leaves you wanting to revisit the original 2008 film instead. In a Q & A on Reddit, the Goetz brothers acknowledged they wouldnt managed to equal the violence of the original but still planned on pushing boundaries:

This seems to be the question of the most interest, so lets get right to it. If youve seen the first, or to put it more bluntly, are a huge fan of the first films violence; this film will certainly not shock you. The first film pretty much knocked it out of the park with how far you can push torture and pain cinematically: it was literally breathtaking. But for as many people that loved it; it alienated just as many. This version is definitely a bit more accessible graphic-wise: but still pushes boundaries nonetheless.

Heres the official synopsis:

Ten-year-old Lucie flees from the isolated warehouse where she has been held prisoner. Deeply traumatized, she is plagued by awful night terrors at the orphanage that takes her in. Her only comfort comes from Anna, a girl her own age. Nearly a decade later and still haunted by demons, Lucie finally tracks down the family that tortured her. As she and Anna move closer to the agonizing truth, they find themselves trapped in a nightmare if they cannot escape, a martyrs fate awaits them

Martyrs opens in select theaters on January 22nd, 2016 and will be available on DVD and Blu-Ray on February 2nd, 2016.

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The original is a masterpiece, this can get to fuck.

Would be really interested to hear your thoughts on the film and what you think makes it a masterpiece.

I bought it the Blu-ray on release and found it to be fairly well made mysognistic torture porn with absolutely nothing to say and no redeeming qualities at all. I watched it a couple of times just in case I was missing something but actually threw it away in the end as I didn't want it in my collection.

Before I get accused of being some kind of squeamish prude, can I say my film collection includes titles such as Cannibal Holocaust and New York Ripper etc.

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I thought the ending of the original was fascinating, totally turned the whole thing on its head, and it really stuck with me, unlike 99% of other horror movies.

I think that alone gives it merit, although it was one of the most unpleasant movies I ever sat through. Although Ex-Drummer is pretty close.

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Martyrs quickly becomes torture porn, a boring one at that, with absolutely no redeeming qualities. Surprised there's even a thread on here for it.

This is a forum where people discuss things. Just because some people don't like the film doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it. Idiot.

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This is a forum where people discuss things. Just because some people don't like the film doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it. Idiot.

Haha wow guess my opinion of the film hit home for ya? Resorting to name calling doesn't make Martyrs any less shit you know.

Bit uncalled for. You dolt.

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This is a forum where people discuss things. Just because some people don't like the film doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it. Idiot.

Wow...people who enjoy watching women getting beaten up sure are touchy first thing on a morning aren't they!

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It's not your opinion of the film, it's that you're surprised there's a thread about it. That we shouldn't discuss it because some people don't like it.

Yes I'm surprised because I think the film is a bad film. Where did I say people aren't allowed to discuss it?

I mean you probably lap stuff up like: A Serbian Film, The Human Centipede (2 and 3 mostly), Nekromantik, Visitor Q, etc. and if you want to discuss their merits and pretend they're not mere cheap shockers then by all means, have fun! I would never label those watch and discuss said films are idiots though. That seems to be your prerogative...

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I don't think Martyrs is a bad film, but I think it's a film that relies on a contextual familiarity with 'new French extremity' and associated social and cultural elements. Divorced from that, it's easy to see why it would be poorly received - but even then I think it's obviously coming from a different angle than something like Hostel, say. Hostel, for all its gore, is voyeuristic - it's entertainment - and I don't think that's a label you can apply to Martyrs, regardless of how you feel about the film. You don't peek at the event in Martyrs though your fingers, secretly thrilled; it's brutal and appalling and nihilistic, and that's intentional. It's perfectly appropriate that people don't like it, because it doesn't want to be liked.

I'm still not convinced that the ending isn't just rubbish - I mean taken at face value, it's definitely rubbish, but maybe that's another intentional feature - maybe. But I think Martyrs is a film with a serious intent at heart, and - in the context of horror cinema - an important broadside against the cod-nihilism of Hostel and the detritus in its wake. Perhaps what I'm trying to suggest here is that Martyrs is torture without the porn. I expect the remake or reimagining or whatever they're calling it to miss that point completely.

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Yes I'm surprised because I think the film is a bad film. Where did I say people aren't allowed to discuss it?

I mean you probably lap stuff up like: A Serbian Film, The Human Centipede (2 and 3 mostly), Nekromantik, Visitor Q, etc. and if you want to discuss their merits and pretend they're not mere cheap shockers then by all means, have fun! I would never label those watch and discuss said films are idiots though. That seems to be your prerogative...

Except those you list are cheap shockers. I mean people can throw out that whole 'you sick fuck watching this' and lump in some other films but as already stated, it is a film not to be enjoyed in any real sense. I liken it more to something like Miss Violence, it touches on horrific themes and makes you confront them.

Personally, I enjoy extreme cinema. Not those listed, although Visitor Q does a job of being so incredibly over the top that it veers into horrifically bleak comedy.

For me, its the culmination of the relatively short lived French/Euro wave of extreme horror. Inside, Switchblade Romance, Sheitan, Frontier(e)s, Calvaire, In My Skin and so on. Which, as a long term horror fan, was fairly exciting at the time as Hollywood was shitting out Asian remakes by the dozen.

The switch midway through was superbly handled, the build up of that first 50 minutes or so is stock horror nastiness, but when it brings forth its true nature it gets unrelenting. Its repellent, hideous and unrelenting. Its not meant to be loved, its what I personally think the horror genre should be.

Its touching on religious lunatics using their wealth and status to try and achieve a barbaric end goal. Its of course not going to be for everyone (see Irreversible/I Stand Alone/Angst) but I've watched it three or four times and its equally as powerful on multiple rewatches.

Head's not fully with it today so that's probably a jumbled load of crap, but I love that dark, disturbing cinema is out there. As for that 'people who enjoy watching women get beat up' comment, Christ its not for you but some people can endure extreme cinema. We're not sitting there getting our rocks off too it. I still look away at certain points and turn the TV down, its hideous. Yes, some lunatics may get a sexual thrill from it around the world, just as many lunatics probably wanked themselves into a frenzy over Hostel/Nightmare on Elm Street/whatever. You can replace the female leads for male leads, it wouldn't detract from the film.

It strikes me how wound up some people can get for watching something they dislike. Its a divisive film, but it has its place. If you really want to see bleak without the gore, watch Michael:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1906426/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3

Not recommended to any parents, or anyone really. Watch at your own risk, but it confronts an area many, many places will not touch on. That's pretty much the most disturbing piece of cinema I've seen. Its cold and utterly soul destroying.

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But then I'm not the one getting all wound up am I? :P

Again, I can see why people might enjoy films of this type and I get, as Rowan put it, they're not meant to be enjoyed in the typical sense. I just find the reasoning as to why Martyrs is somehow redeemed by the final 10 minutes a bit of a stretch as the rest of the film is just pure violence and misery.

I'm more of a Funny Games kind of guy. It's self-aware, subversive and doesn't try to be something it is not.

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Visitor Q is an excellent film and definitely doesn't belong in the same list as Human Centipede. Q is ultimately quite heartwarming, in its way, and it's genuinely funny en route.

Personally I take Martyrs - and many of its ilk - to be a response to events like the Parisian riots of 2005. Where a traditionally conservative horror film might look at young people rioting and make them the monsters in some way, Martyrs take the opposite approach and explores metaphors for the reason behind such unrest, albeit from a rather nihilistic perspective. It's obviously an angry film, and I'd say that as a 'social horror' it's as worthy of discussion as The Exorcist (though I think The Exorcist is the better film by far).

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But then I'm not the one getting all wound up am I? :P

Again, I can see why people might enjoy films of this type and I get, as Rowan put it, they're not meant to be enjoyed in the typical sense. I just find the reasoning as to why Martyrs is somehow redeemed by the final 10 minutes a bit of a stretch as the rest of the film is just pure violence and misery.

I'm more of a Funny Games kind of guy. It's self-aware, subversive and doesn't try to be something it is not.

I was replying primarily to RIKT asking my opinion up top, I quoted you as I wanted to mention those films. Not wound up, people can and will like whatever they want, I'm not gonna try and sell something to someone who doesn't like it.

Also the film isn't redeemed at all, I agree.

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I was replying primarily to RIKT asking my opinion up top, I quoted you as I wanted to mention those films. Not wound up, people can and will like whatever they want, I'm not gonna try and sell something to someone who doesn't like it.

Also the film isn't redeemed at all, I agree.

Well your face looks funny! So there.

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Neutered and tame, why bother?.

That's an interesting question. If you assume, as I have, that the creators had something to say with Martyrs, could that message be conveyed successfully in a less extreme version? Theoretically, I mean, because I'm pretty sure the US version is going to be a mess. Or is the impact of the violence central to the whole thing? Is the medium the message? I guess I'm saying it is, because I've already suggested that under all the blood and bruises it's a pretty flimsy story. I think the story in Martyrs is just one huge MacGuffin, and it's not much use criticising it from that perspective: strong ending, weak ending, doesn't matter. The important question is the film's intent, and I think you could make a reasonable argument that it has a moral core. I don't think you could say that about Hostel, for example - or, as a more recent example that still allows me to have a pop at Eli Roth, The Green Inferno.

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I do like how its attempting to do more with the plot and themes than the usual gore fest, but as you've stated Rowan, if you look at the film with a critical mind the plot doesn't hold up to too much. I've always found Inside to be more extreme, particularly (Uncut version spoilers):

The cutting open of the pregnant woman's stomach to take out the foetus

Which to this day I struggle to watch.

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