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Went to see this with my Star Wars daft pal last night and none of us enjoyed it. It's one of the most unnecessary films ever made and had very little redeeming qualities. Hopefully with it making a loss Disney will have a serious look at the quality control for the future. 

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12 hours ago, dumpster said:

I think one of the joys of Star Wars when I was a kid was the use of language, with lots of dialogue deliberately making little sense to the viewer. It's to be expected that we won't know what these guys are talking about because it's all happening A long time ago in a galaxy far far away.  


"Years ago, I fought in the Clone Wars with your father" - we don't know what the Clone Wars were, but we accept that this is some war that happened.

"It's the ship that ran the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs" - it means nothing to us, but we can see Han is proud of the achievement.

"But I was going to go to Toshi Station and pick up some power converters" - we can only imagine what Toshi Station is, and why he needs power converters.

 

It's all dialogue that makes no sense to the viewer, but it doesn't need to, because it's all throwaway lines that are never mentioned again.  The important thing is it builds a picture in the mind of the viewer and expands the Star Wars Universe.  But all these movies, released at a startling rate are showing us all this stuff we dreamed up as kids and it's making the universe much smaller because nothing is left to the imagination.  There will be "24 hours at Toshi", a fly on the wall documentary that reveals that Toshi Station is a futuristic Charnock Richard Services and you'll forget the image you used to have in your mind.

 

It also risks endless disappointment. As a kid I imagined the clone wars to involve people having to fight their own clones. My friend assumed the war was happening because some people wanted to clone humans but others thought that was bad. Both of those ideas are far more interesting than “it’s like every other battle in Star Wars but half the soldiers are clones who are functionally identical to storm troopers”. But a similarly bland idea that wasn’t based on a single line of dialogue would’ve just been nothing, rather than actively pissing me off like that idea did.

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21 hours ago, womblingfree said:

All the people I've heard who've really enjoyed this haven't given much of a monkeys about Star Wars in general.

 

Maybe that's just what the series needs? After the latest anti-Rose nonsense maybe it's best they just leave the old fans on a remote planet and let StarKiller Base do the rest.

 

I don't think its old fans of Star Wars that are abusing Rose on social media, just horrible cunts who may or may not have enjoyed other Star Wars films at sone point, but do hate women and/or other ethnicities.

 

If a similar character played by the same actress hads been in Star Trek, Fast and Furious, MCU, etc the result would have been the same.

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11 hours ago, kerraig UK said:

The studio only have so much annual spend. When I worked for the studio it was around 50/50 (event vs movie)

 

Disney moved into 100% event. So they sacrificed stuff like Kill Bill  (disney) for Mars needs moms (bomb)

 

I'm just saying they maybe need to reevaluate 

 

 

 

This was obvious from the moment Bob Iger pivoted the film division to all merchandise fests all the time a decade ago, but as they have made vast profits from following this direction, they've caused the rest of the MPAA cartel to similarly re-evaluate their output and attempt to mimic Disney's strategy to some extent. The amount of films the MPAA have been putting out has been dropping for years now too, with the more interesting lower budget films being the obvious casualty in terms of Hollywood's own output.

 

They'll just view this failure as a typical business risk, you can't have a 100% hit rate and Disney's own track record with inhouse big budget Sci-Fi films is terrible, even if they get the Pixar alumni in to make them.

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5 hours ago, Skull Commander said:

Also does every spin off have to have an increasingly shit version of HK-47 from KOTOR now? 

 

Maybe theyre just warming us up for the huge KOTOR announcement which I demand for ;) .

 

 

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On 07/06/2018 at 10:18, Skull Commander said:

Also does every spin off have to have an increasingly shit version of HK-47 from KOTOR now? 

 

Because it's easy. People lapped up the robot in Rouge One, even though it has entirely predictable and one-shot (as in you'll never feel a pull to go back to it) kind of writing to its lines. 

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Watched this again on Saturday with my kids and enjoyed it a lot more than first time around.

 

Its quite mad who badly its doing at the box office really. JW2 has already overtaken its non U.S take. At the moment it looks like it will struggle to get anywhere near Rampage's worldwide box office.

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$315 m globally in just shy of three weeks on release. Surely it's a question of how big a loss they make now.

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The production budget alone was supposedly over $300 Million, the last major loss for Disney was one of their prestige pictures, The Finest Hours, they didn't disclose the budget, but it only made $52 Million globally and they booked a $75 Million loss on it. Given the usual revenue share ratios and other costs, could easily be in the $100-$200 Million range for the cinema run. It's lucky they've had a good run of $1 Billion+ films to cushion the blow of the odd fuck up :P A better situation than Paramount are in.

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I really enjoyed the film. I enjoyed it more than Rogue One. I understand other people didnt like Last Jedi, but I did. Different strokes eh?

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What a clusterfuck from the very beginning. Firstly, I just don’t think massive interest would have ever been there for a Solo movie. But then the production problems really put a dampener on things, and how on earth did they spend $300mil on it? Also, to not release it at Christmas was criminal. I’d have done my usual day one IMAX booking if it was out in December. I actually didn’t think I was going to see it in May, but had a free night a week or two after it came out. It just shows how uninteresting it was.

 

I did think it was a fun movie though. Fairly bland and forgettable overall, but it had some enjoyable sequences and the guy who played Han was really good. Much better characters than Rogue One too.

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1 hour ago, Paulando said:

how on earth did they spend $300mil on it?


They made it twice!

Would LOVE a Blu Ray of a rough cut of the unfinished 'comedy' version. 

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But aren't a certain amount of reshoots generally budgeted in these days anyway?, granted this had more but it's apparently fairly common for big budget Hollywood productions to have to redo parts of a film after the initial production if it doesn't test well or executives don't like it. The reports from the production did also claim that Ron Howard was much better at budgeting and resource allocation than Lord & Miller, so his version was cheaper than what they had spent.

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Ron Howards shoot was swifter and more economical and you can tell - as it feels like it does done in two takes. However - reassembling the entire crew/ rebuilding sets does NOT come cheap. And what it cost to make is only one side of the story - the marketing spend on this film will have been immerse. 

 

 

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How about all those TV spots, online campaigns, and massive Poster + Print campaigns + influencers pay offs? Or all the actual marketing people that made it happen across the world.

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32 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

Ron Howards shoot was swifter and more economical and you can tell - as it feels like it does done in two takes. However - reassembling the entire crew/ rebuilding sets does NOT come cheap. And what it cost to make is only one side of the story - the marketing spend on this film will have been immerse. 

 

 

 

True, but at the same time, the film wasn't actually finished AFAIK before they fired Lord & Miller, so unless they literally bulldoze the sets the moment they were finished with them, that shouldn't have been a need to literally rebuild everything for when he took over.

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6 hours ago, mushashi said:

 

True, but at the same time, the film wasn't actually finished AFAIK before they fired Lord & Miller, so unless they literally bulldoze the sets the moment they were finished with them, that shouldn't have been a need to literally rebuild everything for when he took over.


They don't destroy em, but they do strike them. So they do need to be rebuilt, just not from scratch.

My mate Maria is in charge of Chewies fur and 2 weeks before wrap they booked her for another 4 months. She had to cancel her holiday. Thats a serious reshoot.

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"In charge of chewies fur" requires some elaboration I feel. 

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24 minutes ago, Unregistered User said:

"In charge of chewies fur" requires some elaboration I feel. 

She's a hair sfx specialist. Wigs n shit. Her job for the last 4 years is essentially exactly that. She's responsible for Chewbaccas fur. Which is apparently a really boring job.

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1 hour ago, Darren said:

How can being a professional Wookiee fondler be boring?

@Darren, ‘fluffer’ seems more apt :)

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This and Rogue One are the two best new Star Wars films, but I think this may edge it.

 

The pace and brevity of it’s scenes were refreshing after The Last Jedi’s utter slog.

Not without flaws but I’d watch a Solo 2/Obi Wan Story to conclude the Kira/ *spoiler* spider-legs arc.

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Watched this last night and went in with very low expectations. I enjoyed it!

 

I thought there were some good performances in there and it was fun. 

 

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11 hours ago, grindmouse said:

The pace and brevity of it’s scenes were refreshing after The Last Jedi’s utter slog.

 

I dunno man, I'm no fan of The Last Jedi - but a lot of Solo dragged and was completely uncomplying until the last 30 mins...imo.

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