Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[Delargey]

That was all I could find on it.

But imagine shitting on someone else's work when your solution is 'Robot Brain'.

[Waggo]

2 hours ago, K said:

The Last Jedi is good. 

So good it nearly killed the franchise!!!!

[Delargey]

6 minutes ago, Waggo said:

So good it nearly killed the franchise!!!!

 

Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a deceased mind.

[Stoppy2000]

3 hours ago, K said:

The Last Jedi is good. 

Agreed. 

[Broker]

I can’t imagine the utter garbage someone dumb enough to hate TLJ would write, but Rey’s robot brain sounds about right. 

[IcEBuRN]

4 hours ago, K said:

The Last Jedi is good. 

No No, it's not. Go on, neg me.

[Waggo]

TLJ is utter bobbins.

[Stig]

Fucking hell is it 2017 again.

[probotector]

4 hours ago, K said:

The Last Jedi is good. 

 

No

[Delargey]

Some people hate it, some people like it, some people think it's alright.

[Fierce Poodle]

Get the fuck out of here with your nuanced opinions.

[Waggo]

Exactly.  Hate or Hate not.  There is no meh.

[probotector]

You have to pick a side.

 

Common consensus is that TLJ derailed the franchise and killed Solo and TROS.

 

Solo was actually pretty decent, if they renamed it something else and renamed the Han Solo, it would have been a hit. 
 

Im glad Rian Johnson’s career is dead. The dude not only destroyed Starwars but he set back progressive politics a decade and empowered the incel neckbeards

[Nifta]

22 minutes ago, probotector said:

 

...he set back progressive politics a decade and empowered the incel neckbeards

A Star Wars film managed that?

 

 

[Fierce Poodle]

4 minutes ago, Nifta said:

A Star Wars film managed that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You’ve clearly never met Star Wars fans.

[Barnard]

'fan fiction' - the old slur used to keep the Hollywood writers in a job. Slap those budding writers down early before they dare get good at writing.

[c-cat114]

6 hours ago, K said:

The Last Jedi is good. 

Personally? No. I think it's terrible. It and Prometheus are up there are my most disapointing cinema seen films. 

 

Ironically I've watched both numerous times in the hopes I'll come to like them one day but no, they stay infuriating and ridiculous. 

 

Fun fact: also bought the audiobook of TLJ, again, in the hopes I'd find something good in it to like and the bombing run, the first scene/set piece, goes on for HOURS!! And is even drearier than the film. Only time I've ever shouted 'just bomb the effing Star Destroyers' at an audiobook. 

[Fierce Poodle]

1 minute ago, c-cat114 said:

Only time I've ever shouted 'just bomb the effing Star Destroyers' at an audiobook. 

I’d be surprised if you felt the need to shout that at any other audiobook to be fair.

[c-cat114]

2 minutes ago, Fierce Poodle said:

I’d be surprised if you felt the need to shout that at any other audiobook to be fair.

It's become the thing I shout at any audiobook that lingers for an eternity on any one scene

 

TLJ. Giving the fans new phrases to shout in annoyance. The Rey fingerclicking clones scene foreshadowed Tiktok too imo

 

See? Just a big pile of crap

 

 

[c-cat114]

(aspects of TLJ I loved: Crait battle looked amazing, the Holdo manouvre is a beautiful image (but moderately universe shattering), some of the Snoke battle looked good etc. I do wish I liked it, but so much of the script just fails to work for me that it irritates me more than, say, ROS disappointed me. Of the three films I liked Solo way more).

[Nick R]

1 hour ago, probotector said:

Im glad Rian Johnson’s career is dead.

 

His involvement with Lucasfilm has probably ended (even if his trilogy has not yet been publicly confirmed as cancelled), but that hardly means his career is dead.

 

At the US domestic box office, Knives Out was the second-highest-grossing movie of 2019 that was not a sequel, remake, or part of an existing franchise. (Behind only Us.) https://m.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/cumulative/released-in-2019

 

Rian Johnson's career will be fine!

[makkuwata]

I watched it again today. It’s objectively a bad movie. Most of its runtime is irrelevant to the ultimate outcome and unlike Raiders it isn’t Raiders.

[Fierce Poodle]

Surely Raiders is Raiders though?

[makkuwata]

Tried to think of the dictionary definition of the specific exception that proves the rule.

[IcEBuRN]

1 hour ago, probotector said:

You have to pick a side.

 

Common consensus is that TLJ derailed the franchise and killed Solo and TROS.

 

Solo was actually pretty decent, if they renamed it something else and renamed the Han Solo, it would have been a hit. 
 

Im glad Rian Johnson’s career is dead. The dude not only destroyed Starwars but he set back progressive politics a decade and empowered the incel neckbeards

Solo was fine. But I realised I kinda forgot about it after seeing it. It was deflated after the last jedi took a shit on everything and no one was excited for star wars anymore.

 

Just remember how professional, but how obviously angry Mark Hamill was that Rian shit all over luke, soooo badly. I can ignore some things, but that was a bad choice.

[Nick R]

Bits of TLJ I really like:

 

* Almost all of the Rey/Luke island scenes. The Dark Side cave/mirrors scene bringing some mystery back to the Force. Luke saying out loud what was wrong with the Jedi order.

* The Yoda scene. 

* Rose's introduction scene.

* PORGS

* The way Snoke gets taken out.

* The last shot.

* The Luke duel.

 

Bits that I get what the aim was, but I don't think completely work:

 

*  The Poe/Leia/Holdo storyline subverting stories of maverick loners always being the heroes.

* Leia's flight through space. The idea is fine, I think it's just the choice of shots that made it come across as silly to so many people.

 

 

Bits that I don't like:

 

* The casino chase.

* The fact that the film is structured as a very slow pursuit through space, with some characters able to nip off for a side-adventure. (Yeah, the film's critics have a point with that one.)

 

 

Bits that I don't like because they were inherited from The Force Awakens, where they were also bad:

 

* Snoke.

 

 

Bits that would have been much more interesting if they'd been done differently:

 

* If Rey had taken Kylo Ren's offered hand after the throne room right, that would have been a really surprising place to leave Rey before the third film. (Possibly too dark for Disney?)

 

 

Bits that I like mostly because of how much they annoyed other people:

 

* The iron gag.

* Luke saying "laser sword".

* Luke and the blue milk.

* The bombs falling in space.

[Stig]

Shit all over everything 

 

Give it a rest. How did he shit all over everything? By trying to do something new and expand the universe rather than everything revolving around the same group of related people. 

 

Lukes arc was great imo and completely in character with how rash he is. This is a guy who went from knowing nothing about the force to jumping right into it like a zealot in like 2 days. I could totally see him fucking off and abandoning things after fucking up so bad. He's like all the other Jedi before him, completely imperfect.

 

People aren't happy because they wanted Superman Luke, where as I found his change in direction interesting and new and it allowed for his wonderful moments with Rey, Leia and the piss taking of Kylo in the fight.

 

Sure the film isn't all great, there's loads to pull at and criticise but I have zero issues with Luke in this film.

 

The fault all lies at the feet of Disney anyway for not having things set out from the get go and then cowering to the crybabies for the ROS reconning. 

[Stig]

1 minute ago, Nick R said:

Bits of TLJ I really like:

 

* Almost all of the Rey/Luke island scenes. The Dark Side cave/mirrors scene bringing some mystery back to the Force. Luke saying out loud what was wrong with the Jedi order.

* The Yoda scene. 

* Rose's introduction scene.

* PORGS

* The way Snoke gets taken out.

* The last shot.

* The Luke duel.

 

Bits that I get what the aim was, but I don't think completely work:

 

*  The Poe/Leia/Holdo storyline subverting stories of maverick loners always being the heroes.

* Leia's flight through space. The idea is fine, I think it's just the choice of shots that made it come across as silly to so many people.

 

 

Bits that I don't like:

 

* The casino chase.

* The fact that the film is structured as a very slow pursuit through space, with done characters able to nip off for a side-adventure. (Yeah, the film's critics have a point with that one.)

 

 

Bits that I don't like because they were inherited from The Force Awakens, where they were also bad:

 

* Snoke.

 

 

Bits that would have been much more interesting if they'd been done differently:

 

* If Rey had taken Kylo Ren's offered hand after the throne room right, that would have been a really surprising place to leave Rey before the third film. (Possibly too dark for Disney?)

 

 

Bits that I like mostly because of how much they annoyed other people:

 

* The iron gag.

* Luke saying "laser sword".

* Luke and the blue milk.

* The bombs falling in space.

 

This is pretty much bang on 

[makkuwata]

The Force Awakens was a cynical exercise in pleasing people, The Last Jedi was a cynical exercise in frustrating those same exact people. Then that cynical exercise didn’t pay off because no one likes the movies anymore.

[Stig]

Either way, thank fuck those films are out the way now and we get some new stories.

 

Mandalorian is better than all the last 5 films Disney have put out