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One of my favourite scenes in the movie was the 

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Finger clicking scene

 

Wouldn’t be out of place in a Tarantino. 

 

Might go and watch again tomorrow. 

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So really this far no one has mentioned...

 

 

Luke was fricking awesome. 

 

It was Luke, the voice, the way he said Chewie.


Luke was so Luke. Luke is the icon behind everything. He lead to every point. He was the series.

And he's fucking dead. Very Obi-Wan.

It makes sense because they want a new breed.

Except, fuck em. Don't kill Luke. Do not fucking do it.

When he met Leia, it was the scene of the film for me. Tears down my face.

Perhaps he has to go; but hey. Fuck you RJ.

Also, Yoda totally back on form. Loved him!
 

 

 

 

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I think this is the thing that's bugging me the most.  This feels more like the concluding chapter of a story, if they killed Kylo off, then literally it would be the end. Even the last scene is a little epilogue.

 

What story is left that makes you excited for what's to come?  So Kylo is now the Supreme leader?  I like the character but he isn't a leader and certainly isn't as intimidating as someone like Palpatine or Snoke.  

 

I know they didn't want to do an Empire and leave it on a cliffhanger but at least give us something to wait two years for.

 

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Especially when Ren is still conflicted/damaged - it isn't set up to anticipate him getting killed/Rey and Chewie taking revenge.

 

Unless there is more to Snoke's death as we still need to understand who/what he was even if he is dead? Maybe  another big bad for the final episode?

 

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Loved it. A lot happens, kept thinking it must be near the end but it just kept going.

 

Some weird jokes and a strange scene near the beginning that I could have done without, but once it gets going it's pretty spectacular. So many great scenes.

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I'll be seeing it again in over a week's time, so time to digest what I saw and see what it's like on second viewing.  

 

My favourite scenes were anything to do with Luke.  A character that has such a weight of history on his shoulders and Hamil does a fantastic job with conveying that.

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Morning! Got in at 230 after the screening. Not been to bed!

 

Didn't like it much, had its moments. Can't really say much else due to spoilers.  But I do wish the bad guys weren't so fucking shit though. Or is that the point? 

 

On an Edge magazine scale its a 7 out of 10 from me.

 

Enjoyed Rogue One more. Ho hum.

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Just woke up to go to work. Feel like shit.

 

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Another thing that is bugging me about the film is Snoke and the lack of expansion on who or what he was.

 

That was a missed opportunity and he looked too old to be a failed student of Skywalker's.

 

They needed to explain where he fit into the Dark Side considering there should only be two and they both died pretty close together in RoTJ.

 

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4 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

Why are people getting negged for saying they like this? Fuck is wrong with some of you people? 

It's all EA's fault.

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Just got out the cinema from a 3:30 showing. 

 

You know you're in trouble when you're stiffing a laugh at sequences intended to be dramatic and emotionally fulfilling or cringing with embarrassment at moments of earnestness a second later. Its tonally all over the place, the story comes from the school of just throwing everything you can think of at the wall and seeing what sticks attitude, it feels like a movie made by committee with no clear goal or objective in mind other than doing a literal translation of wars that happen to be in space. Ultimately its just boring. Disappointing and  heartbreakingly boring.

 

Seriously there was moments when I was reminded of the prequels. 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, lots of people talking about a 30 minute chunk that should have been cut. A great fan edit coming, perhaps?

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Can anyone tell me if Luke dies? Hamil's been my wife's hero since she was a kid, and I think she'll enjoy it more knowing whether he survives. If he dies, I simply won't forewarn her. A quick yes/no in spoiler tags would be really appreciated! 

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I didn't find it boring though. Its just like they had giant paint buckets full of the Star Wars universe, and chucked it at a canvas and used what stuck to it. 

 

Its a spectacular thing thats a sum of its parts.

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The good

 

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Mark Hamill. I was unsure about the direction they were taking Luke in, but he totally sold it.

 

Kylo staying bad. You don't kill Han Solo and get redemption.

 

Rey is no one and you dont have to be space royalty to be a powerful Jedi. Assuming Kylo is not lying.

 

They established Snoke as very powerful very quickly. The way he dismissed Kylo's attack at the start was great.

 

Splitting the Star Destroyer in two by going to light speed was amazing.

 

Poe had an actually character arc.

 

It was actually quite funny in places. Cherie going to eat the meat.

 

I have literally no idea where this goes next.

 

The bad

 

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I have no idea of Kylo or Snoke's motivations. Why did Kylo go to the Dark Side? How did Snoke turn him? It's true to an extent you know as much about Vader and the Emperor in the OT, but it felt like it didn't hurt those films and it does this one. I can't explain why.

 

The entire casino sequence is an interesting corner of the Star Wars universe but it belongs in a different film. It serves to simply kill pace and makes little story sense; the fleet is pinned, you have your set up. I get they wanted "Resistance: symbol of hope" but you can't force it in.

 

Yoda. I loved the scene itself, but I'd have much, much rather that Luke's change of heart wasn't so rooted in an external actor.

 

Killing Luke. The twist involving him meant there was really no reason too. It felt like tying up a loose end more than anything else.

 

The problems inherited from VII

 

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Rey. She remains too good at everything. Luke didn't really train her, and she just turns up places and stuff happens. I struggle to explain her character arc on this film.

 

How is that the complete last of the fleet? The Republic was the Galactic government, it should have had a lot of ships. The suggestion in the first film was the resistance was doing work the Republic wouldn't do, not couldn't. They could explain in a variety of hand waving manners, but just feels like they want to get to rebels Vs empire as fast as possible.

 

Phasma is the coolest Storm Trooper to exist solely as comic relief. What a waste of Glendolin Christie.

 

It's not bad. But it lacks a coherence I think, so some really big mind-blowing moments don't land right. I struggle to explain why. 

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3 minutes ago, Treble said:

Can anyone tell me if Luke dies? Hamil's been my wife's hero since she was a kid, and I think she'll enjoy it more knowing whether he survives. If he dies, I simply won't forewarn her. A quick yes/no in spoiler tags would be really appreciated! 

 

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Yes

 

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RIght

 

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Who is/was Snoke.

Huxx is now comic relief. Awful

Who is/was Snoke?

Finn and Rose going to George Lucas' prequel trilogy casino was ultimately pointless because Laura Dern planned to put everyone in cloaked ships and because Finn and Rose met Benecio Del Torro, who discovered the cloaked ship plan, their trip ultimately got half the resistance killed. Nice one. They'd all have ended up on Crait regardless, but with a lot more people.

Who is/was Snoke?!

Poe Cameron also gets half the resistance squadron killed, too. He didn't help much either.

 

WHO THE FUCK IS SNOKE?!!!

The resistance is now 15 people in the millennium falcon. Great.

SNOKE? WHO ARE YOU MATE?

That said, the first order don't seem to be that many themselves, either. How can they rule the galaxy?

SNOOOOOKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Phasma still pointless.

THAT WAS S-NOT-KE OK

 

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19 minutes ago, Strafe said:

RIght

 

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Who is/was Snoke.

Huxx is now comic relief. Awful

Who is/was Snoke?

Finn and Rose going to George Lucas' prequel trilogy casino was ultimately pointless because Laura Dern planned to put everyone in cloaked ships and because Finn and Rose met Benecio Del Torro, who discovered the cloaked ship plan, their trip ultimately got half the resistance killed. Nice one. They'd all have ended up on Crait regardless, but with a lot more people.

Who is/was Snoke?!

Poe Cameron also gets half the resistance squadron killed, too. He didn't help much either.

 

WHO THE FUCK IS SNOKE?!!!

The resistance is now 15 people in the millennium falcon. Great.

SNOKE? WHO ARE YOU MATE?

That said, the first order don't seem to be that many themselves, either. How can they rule the galaxy?

SNOOOOOKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Phasma still pointless.

THAT WAS S-NOT-KE OK

 

 

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95% of the remaining resistance is dead. Back slaps all round!

 

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Still don’t know what to think of it – my son asked me this morning how many stars I’d give it and I don’t know nor can I even currently guess where I’d put it in the best of list.

 

Needs another watch because so much stuff happens and I think ultimatly it will have to wait until episode 9 to be fully judged (rambling thoughts that I can’t articulate properly below) SPOILERS

 

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The events of the film are a disaster for pretty much all the characters (good and bad). It is a series of hollow victories on both sides. Every victory or escape comes at a massive cost.

 

Which I’m not criticising the film for, but it’s different to Empire in that its ultimately very downbeat, but we have no real clue as to what happens next/the three main characters from the original trilogy are either dead or dead in real life and while they can conceivably make a brilliant third film it currently doesn’t feel like it will tie everything together as they’ve pretty much paid it all off already (with Leia going to have to die off screen – Kylo is the last of the Skywalkers and we don’t appear to be getting answers on Snoke as he is now gone).

 

By the end - the entire rebellion can fit inside the falcon (in part thanks to Poe’s recklessness) they’ve been betrayed, messed up numerous times (blowing up a dreadnaught at the cost of loads of lives/ships/the entire casino plan, nearly everyone is dead, Fin nearly sacrificed himself for no reason appears to have a death wish and it isn’t clear how much dark side Rey has in her and Luke is dead.

 

On the First Order side – Hux looks like an incompetent at the mercy of being killed because of failure or a Kylo temper tantrum. Kylo is completely unhinged and could do who knows what, Snoke is dead, Phasma is dead and the First Order totally messed up the chance to destroy the rebellion once and for all.

 

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47 minutes ago, ahsoka said:

 

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Yes

 

 

Cheers

 

... and oh shit, she's gonna be wrecked :(

 

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30 minutes ago, Strafe said:

RIght

 

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Who is/was Snoke.

Huxx is now comic relief. Awful

Who is/was Snoke?

Finn and Rose going to George Lucas' prequel trilogy casino was ultimately pointless because Laura Dern planned to put everyone in cloaked ships and because Finn and Rose met Benecio Del Torro, who discovered the cloaked ship plan, their trip ultimately got half the resistance killed. Nice one. They'd all have ended up on Crait regardless, but with a lot more people.

Who is/was Snoke?!

Poe Cameron also gets half the resistance squadron killed, too. He didn't help much either.

 

WHO THE FUCK IS SNOKE?!!!

The resistance is now 15 people in the millennium falcon. Great.

SNOKE? WHO ARE YOU MATE?

That said, the first order don't seem to be that many themselves, either. How can they rule the galaxy?

SNOOOOOKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Phasma still pointless.

THAT WAS S-NOT-KE OK

 

 

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"Finn and Rose going to George Lucas' prequel trilogy casino was ultimately pointless because Laura Dern planned to put everyone in cloaked ships and because Finn and Rose met Benecio Del Torro, who discovered the cloaked ship plan, their trip ultimately got half the resistance killed. Nice one. They'd all have ended up on Crait regardless, but with a lot more people."

 

This is entirely the point though, Finn and Rose went to Crait in cohoots with Poe without informing Laura Dern's Admiral Holdo. They were acting on their own and it's another example of Poe being a little too eager. He also doesn't trust Admiral Holdo and you as an audience member are also meant to question if she's a traitor. How'd they find them jumping through hyperspace? The whole Resistance is in chaos as Leia is out of commission.  

It makes actual sense if you think about it for more than a second. 

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1 minute ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

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"Finn and Rose going to George Lucas' prequel trilogy casino was ultimately pointless because Laura Dern planned to put everyone in cloaked ships and because Finn and Rose met Benecio Del Torro, who discovered the cloaked ship plan, their trip ultimately got half the resistance killed. Nice one. They'd all have ended up on Crait regardless, but with a lot more people."

 

This is entirely the point though, Finn and Rose went to Crait in cohoots with Poe without informing Laura Dern's Admiral Holdo. They were acting on their own and it's another example of Poe being a little too eager. He also doesn't trust Admiral Holdo and you as an audience member are also meant to question if she's a traitor. How'd they find them jumping through hyperspace? The whole Resistance is in chaos as Leia is out of commission.  

It makes actual sense if you think about it for more than a second. 
 

 

 

 

 

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I don't doubt that it makes sense, I get that they didn't trust Holdo, just that they got an awful lot of people murdered in doing it (by picking up Benecio Del Torro). It just seemed like a bit of pointless plot exposition to give them something to do.

On the finding them business - I get star wars isn't hot on science all the time but they were able to track them using one ship. If they had this tech they could put it on all their ships I would have thought. I don't get why that was a (supposedly) important thing other than to give them a single direction in which to go and a showdown with phasma.

 

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18 minutes ago, Ork1927 said:

Still don’t know what to think of it – my son asked me this morning how many stars I’d give it and I don’t know nor can I even currently guess where I’d put it in the best of list.

 

Needs another watch because so much stuff happens and I think ultimatly it will have to wait until episode 9 to be fully judged (rambling thoughts that I can’t articulate properly below) SPOILERS

 

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The events of the film are a disaster for pretty much all the characters (good and bad). It is a series of hollow victories on both sides. Every victory or escape comes at a massive cost.

 

Which I’m not criticising the film for, but it’s different to Empire in that its ultimately very downbeat, but we have no real clue as to what happens next/the three main characters from the original trilogy are either dead or dead in real life and while they can conceivably make a brilliant third film it currently doesn’t feel like it will tie everything together as they’ve pretty much paid it all off already (with Leia going to have to die off screen – Kylo is the last of the Skywalkers and we don’t appear to be getting answers on Snoke as he is now gone).

 

By the end - the entire rebellion can fit inside the falcon (in part thanks to Poe’s recklessness) they’ve been betrayed, messed up numerous times (blowing up a dreadnaught at the cost of loads of lives/ships/the entire casino plan, nearly everyone is dead, Fin nearly sacrificed himself for no reason appears to have a death wish and it isn’t clear how much dark side Rey has in her and Luke is dead.

 

On the First Order side – Hux looks like an incompetent at the mercy of being killed because of failure or a Kylo temper tantrum. Kylo is completely unhinged and could do who knows what, Snoke is dead, Phasma is dead and the First Order totally messed up the chance to destroy the rebellion once and for all.

 

 

The problem with this is that it's not about the tragedy of war, It's just a bad, bad plot full of choices that make little sense. 

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1 minute ago, Talk Show Host said:

 

The problem with this is that it's not about the tragedy of war, It's just a bad, bad plot full of choices that make little sense. 

 

 



The whole point of all the Resistance stuff, is that it's all in chaos. If you think it makes little sense, or they do things from your position as an audience member then you probably don't understand the situation that the film is trying to show. 

The Resistance leader is gone, Poe is headstrong and under pressure and naturally wants action. Admiral Holdo is far more seasoned and wise and understands the situation better but they butt heads as everything is fucked and they're away to die. 

People make mistakes in this situation, that's what makes them human with character arcs that show they learn and development. 

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25 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

 

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The whole point of all the Resistance stuff, is that it's all in chaos. If you think it makes little sense, or they do things from your position as an audience member then you probably don't understand the situation that the film is trying to show. 

The Resistance leader is gone, Poe is headstrong and under pressure and naturally wants action. Admiral Holdo is far more seasoned and wise and understands the situation better but they butt heads as everything is fucked and they're away to die. 

People make mistakes in this situation, that's what makes them human with character arcs that show they learn and development. 
 

 

 

 

No, not really.

 

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The entire plot with Poe makes little sense. People make mistakes, true, especially under heavy pressure, but from a plot standpoint it undermines itself completely because Holdo managed to trick the First Order without Poe's help. And then she decides that in order to save the remaining fleet she should stay behind and kamikaze the ship, which she would be doing anyway because she says that someone must stay behind and operate the ship. That is bad plotting. The entire Poe-Finn-Rose segment makes very little sense and it is the main reason this movie drags so much in the middle.

 

They are trying to show the desperate face of war but instead they show a lack of proper writing because Finn needed, essentially, a showdown and the rebels to reach that critical moment of total destruction until they are saved by the ''Last Jedi''. Not bad as a thought but badly executed.

 

Last but not least, both Leia and Holdo being sensitive and caring towards Poe because he is a lovable scoundrel when he is the one responsible for the annihilation of the remaining fleet? Totally ridiculous.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Talk Show Host said:

 

No, not really.

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The entire plot with Poe makes little sense. People make mistakes, true, especially under heavy pressure, but from a plot standpoint it undermines itself completely because Holdo managed to trick the First Order without Poe's help. And then she decides that in order to save the remaining fleet she should stay behind and kamikaze the ship, which she would doing anyway because she says that someone must stay behind and operate the ship. That is bad plotting. The entire Poe-Finn-Rose segment makes very little sense and it is the main reason this movie drags so much in the middle.

 

Last but not least, both Leia and Holdo being sensitive and caring towards Poe because he is a lovable scoundrel when he is the one responsible for the annihilation of the remaining fleet? Totally ridiculous.

 

 

 



You're just labeling stuff "Bad Plotting" because you don't understand it, or just want a dramatic set up to be eradicated because you don't understand Poe's character and the states of the situation. There's chaos everywhere with mutiny being moments away on both factions of the resistance post Leia's near death. 

 

The Casino Planet section is the lump of the film that feels quite hacked in and does serve mainly as a set up for Finn and Rose to have a bonding session. DJ the master-breaker guy could have been located in the prison of Snoke's ship, or the Resistance ship saving them the massive detour. 

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Questioning character motivation at every single instance and blanket claiming that they're doing things that makes no sense is a sure fire way to make you look like an expert critic. Just do it with everything and you'll look like you know what you're talking about! Just look at those Red Letter Media guys!  

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