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I thought the grumbling about Ewoks was a more recent thing? Like it took the internet to really take off. 

 

I watched the entire OT before TFA came out. I'd forgotten how good films they are - the original film surprised me. It is very tightly paced and plotted, right from the opening crawl.

 

Empire's obviously amazing from start to finish, but I don't get the ROTJ hate. It's the only one with a bit of fat in the middle, but it had a lot to do wrap things up and that last act. That space battle! That duel! Guerilla warfare against the Empire! Modern trilogies would kill for that as a last act.

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2 hours ago, kensei said:

That space battle! 

 

It's still the most impressive piece of sfx I've seen in any movie ever, as far as I'm concerned. 

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16 minutes ago, JoeK said:

 

It's still the most impressive piece of sfx I've seen in any movie ever, as far as I'm concerned. 

Yep. Those flames lapping around the Falcon as it bursts out of the Death Star is perfection.

 

Theyve tried, and failed, to replicate it in both these new movies. In TFA, near the beginning when Rey is piloting the Falcon through the crashed Star Destroyer, and in TLJ where Chewie is flying it through the salt mines. Neither of those are a patch on the RoTJ version.

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6 minutes ago, JPL said:

Yep. Those flames lapping around the Falcon as it bursts out of the Death Star is perfection.

 

Theyve tried, and failed, to replicate it in both these new movies. In TFA, near the beginning when Rey is piloting the Falcon through the crashed Star Destroyer, and in TLJ where Chewie is flying it through the salt mines. Neither of those are a patch on the RoTJ version.

 

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That has shot for shot versions of the Deathstar escape, except with caves. :)

 

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3 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

 

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That has shot for shot versions of the Deathstar escape, except with caves. :)

 

What does?

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It felt like the most expansive movie so far. They were really packing in the characters and sub-plots all over the shop.

 

I’m guessing the universe really needs expanding to keep this one a year thing going for the foreseeable future.

 

Best part for me was

 

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Muppet Yoda

 

I was almost fist pumping the air at that point. 

 

Fuck you prequels!

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40 minutes ago, GMass said:
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The mine chase. 

 

I really need to see it again. I can’t remember it being anywhere near as good as the RoTJ Death Star sequence.

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11 hours ago, Naieve said:

anyone got any good Seaweed Hole theories? it felt pretty similar to that tree Luke goes into in Empire.

 

This is an odd one for me. JJ would have had a flash back or forward at this point, showing flashes of things we’ve never seen before, or have Rey dreaming about this hole later in the film, to create a mystery and tell us we’ll (possibly) get an answer in a future instalment. What we saw in TLJ made me think we’ll never see or hear from it again.

 

Rightly or wrongly (because he knew he wouldn’t be around to give the answers), JJ created some interesting mysteries in TFA to leave us wanting more. Rian Johnson didn’t do that at all.

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If we’re talking niggly mistakes then Star Wars and Jedi are full of them. Not Empire as that’s obviously perfect. None of the aforementioned mistakes taint the enjoyment or legacy of them though.

 

Ewoks were unpopular in certain quarters from the day ROTJ was released. I remember people talking about the over-muppety-ness. Ironic when these days they come across as quite malevolent in comparison to a lot of newer Star Wars creations.

 

 

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Just seen it a second time. First viewing it was 8.5/10, the best of the new three. On second viewing, it could be my favourite of all the movies.

 

I got goosebumps in the scene with

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Yoda

, that's never happened to me in a film before! 

 

So many little details to love, I can't wait to see it again. The Force Awakens, even though I loved it initially, really drags in subsequent viewings.

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2 hours ago, Treble said:

This is all just opinion, so please take with a pinch of salt, but I think everyone is tying themselves in knots trying to reconcile the new films with the old, from both a fan standpoint and a filmic standpoint. 

 

It's understandable, as the original trilogy are simply great films (like, just fantastic adventures with amazing effects. The ROTJ revisionism is a joke - it's superb). 

 

The Prequels are awful films. You can like them, that's fine (R1 is a bit crap - see below - but I still like it)  but by every accepted measure they are badly written, badly directed, rushed and confused. Consensus on those isn't a problem. 

 

The new three are all over the place. The first one is comfortable and safe, competently made and fairly easy on the eye, but without intelligent ambiguity, subtlety or inventiveness. 

 

Rogue One is comfortably the most well-realised sci-fi world of the three: beautiful, alien, with chunky tech and a real sense of heft to every single effect. The space battle at the end is epic without ruining the aesthetic established by the original Star Wars, and some shots and setups breathtakingly gorgeous. Shame the characterisation and plot veers (pun intended) from 'workmanlike' to 'night soil' in quality terms - pretty much the whole of the second act is a shoddy write off. Basically Gareth  Edwards should remain a glorified DP and leave the real directorial work to grown ups who can actually tell a story. R1 is a hot mess rescued by a decent ending. 

 

Then you have Last Jedi, which is witty, knowing and more than a little transgressive. It makes you clap your hands in glee as it busts some conventions, answers some questions, and also injects some further mystique into the lore. It ties a few knots where it shouldn't perhaps, and unravels a few that should have stayed tied, but overall what it does as a myth-making exercise is fabulous. 

 

...and yet it still makes a lot of fucking niggly mistakes! It's too long by at least 30 minutes and drags heavily in two key places. It has unnecessary subplots, it rushes scenes that should breathe (in fact, the editing is weak overall and it cripples the pacing at times) and spends too much time indulging in slapstick when it should be aiming for goofy, charming witticisms.

 

For all that, the core of the film is so good and brings so much to the table that's new, I'm glad it's out there pushing some boundaries. 

 

So aye, the new lot are still really struggling to find their niche and we're not going to see any kind of consensus emerge for a good while yet. It'll be VERY interesting to see what happens with 'Solo' coming up...

 

 

 

 

 

Good summation.

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Just got back. Was ok. Didn't go as I thought, just like Luke said. 

 

Think I prefer it to Force Awakens overall, which I find quite dull, definitely better than Rogue One, which I haven't been able to make all the way through since seeing it at the cinema, and better than the prequels. 

 

But not better than the originals. 

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This currently has the same IMDB score as Revenge of the Sith, 7.6. 

 

It was at 8.2 a few weeks ago.

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On 27/12/2017 at 00:58, kensei said:

The hyperspace crash raised the obvious question of why no one did it before.

I suppose you're right.  Never in the history of warfare did somone try something for the first time out of desperation.

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2 hours ago, Bluejam said:

Meh at IMDB, Phantom Menace current rating is 6.5 

 

I wonder if it’s the same lunatics who think the prequels are great that think this is trash? 6.5 is about 6.4 higher than I’d expect. Likewise that Sith one that’s supposedly ‘the good one.’

 

 

 

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Re fuel:

 

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Why couldn't the star destroyer just, y'know, speed up a bit. Is that seriously as fast as they can go outside of lightspeed? 

 

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They're in space, so spending fuel implies more acceleration. I guess the maths would be that the smaller Resistance ships have a better thrust/mass ratio, and can continue to accelerate more quickly than the star destroyers, which presumably haven't really been designed for chases at sub light speeds.

 

I do think all this nitpicking is odd.

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It's not prequel level bad. There are some great things in this film, and some really poor ones.

 

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That's whats so frustrating about it for me.

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15 hours ago, Captain LeChuck said:

I'll admit, Rian Johnson has indeed done away with a lot of what JJ set up in TFA. But what he has also done is paved a way forward for future Star Wars movies without the trappings of "the Skywalkers". JJ will wrap it up nicely with episode IX, but let's see what Rian has in store. 

 

I don’t have much faith in JJ doing anything other than a JJ movie. Although hard to see how this is possible after TLJ basically tore down all the cheese he’d copy & pasted.

 

TLJ has potentially done more for Star Wars world building than any film previously. Let’s face it the franchise was severely limited in its scope. Easy to produce three or four movies a year if you have the wealth of material Marvel has, not so simple if you’re relying on three aged movies about a small bunch of people playing cowboys and Indians in space.

 

Rey basically summed up the entirety of what we know about the force in one gag, while trolling die-hards at the same time.

 

Likewise

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Yoda

and his description of the sacred texts.

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“Page turners they were not.”

:lol:

Subtext: Ignore the ramblings of the past. None of it matters, particularly after the prequels took up the baton of exposition and turned it into a butt-plug.

 

Future movies can now go off down any route they wish. JJ attempted the same with Star Trek but in the end just relied on carbon copying the past anyway, but worse.

 

I’ve enjoyed these new films including Rogue One far more than most blockbusters in recent years and they still for me retain the feeling of event movies. Let’s see if that sticks once Disney get their infinitum release schedule on track.

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46 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

They're in space, so spending fuel implies more acceleration. I guess the maths would be that the smaller Resistance ships have a better thrust/mass ratio, and can continue to accelerate more quickly than the star destroyers, which presumably haven't really been designed for chases at sub light speeds.

 

I do think all this nitpicking is odd.

 

Why?

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