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On 27/12/2017 at 00:58, kensei said:

The hyperspace crash raised the obvious question of why no one did it before.

I suppose you're right.  Never in the history of warfare did somone try something for the first time out of desperation.

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2 hours ago, Bluejam said:

Meh at IMDB, Phantom Menace current rating is 6.5 

 

I wonder if it’s the same lunatics who think the prequels are great that think this is trash? 6.5 is about 6.4 higher than I’d expect. Likewise that Sith one that’s supposedly ‘the good one.’

 

 

 

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Re fuel:

 

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Why couldn't the star destroyer just, y'know, speed up a bit. Is that seriously as fast as they can go outside of lightspeed? 

 

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They're in space, so spending fuel implies more acceleration. I guess the maths would be that the smaller Resistance ships have a better thrust/mass ratio, and can continue to accelerate more quickly than the star destroyers, which presumably haven't really been designed for chases at sub light speeds.

 

I do think all this nitpicking is odd.

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It's not prequel level bad. There are some great things in this film, and some really poor ones.

 

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That's whats so frustrating about it for me.

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15 hours ago, Captain LeChuck said:

I'll admit, Rian Johnson has indeed done away with a lot of what JJ set up in TFA. But what he has also done is paved a way forward for future Star Wars movies without the trappings of "the Skywalkers". JJ will wrap it up nicely with episode IX, but let's see what Rian has in store. 

 

I don’t have much faith in JJ doing anything other than a JJ movie. Although hard to see how this is possible after TLJ basically tore down all the cheese he’d copy & pasted.

 

TLJ has potentially done more for Star Wars world building than any film previously. Let’s face it the franchise was severely limited in its scope. Easy to produce three or four movies a year if you have the wealth of material Marvel has, not so simple if you’re relying on three aged movies about a small bunch of people playing cowboys and Indians in space.

 

Rey basically summed up the entirety of what we know about the force in one gag, while trolling die-hards at the same time.

 

Likewise

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Yoda

and his description of the sacred texts.

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“Page turners they were not.”

:lol:

Subtext: Ignore the ramblings of the past. None of it matters, particularly after the prequels took up the baton of exposition and turned it into a butt-plug.

 

Future movies can now go off down any route they wish. JJ attempted the same with Star Trek but in the end just relied on carbon copying the past anyway, but worse.

 

I’ve enjoyed these new films including Rogue One far more than most blockbusters in recent years and they still for me retain the feeling of event movies. Let’s see if that sticks once Disney get their infinitum release schedule on track.

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46 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

They're in space, so spending fuel implies more acceleration. I guess the maths would be that the smaller Resistance ships have a better thrust/mass ratio, and can continue to accelerate more quickly than the star destroyers, which presumably haven't really been designed for chases at sub light speeds.

 

I do think all this nitpicking is odd.

 

Why?

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I’ve seen this four times now but despite trying very hard from viewing two onwards there’s a bit of dialogue that I’m struggling to catch...

 

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In the first scene in Snoke’s Throne Room, when Hux leaves, Snoke tells Kylo why he keeps Hux around and he has a word for him. Does anyone know what that is? 

 

He uses it twice I believe and maybe it’s really simple but it’s just not clicked with me. 

 

Anyone know?

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1 hour ago, Orko said:

 

Why?

 

Because it’s a Star Wars film and Star Wars films have never concerned themselves with the technicalities of why things work or don’t. 

 

To nitpick the films for things like this is to engage them in a way that they were never meant to be engaged and is therefore unfair?

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2 minutes ago, Tourist said:

Is it cur or something?

 

It could be. I’ve never heard of that word before (just had to look up it’s meaning) which would explain why I was struggling to get it. 

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3 hours ago, womblingfree said:

 

I wonder if it’s the same lunatics who think the prequels are great that think this is trash? 6.5 is about 6.4 higher than I’d expect. Likewise that Sith one that’s supposedly ‘the good one.’

 

 

 

 

6.5 = mildly above average, the IMDB scale uses the full range, seems about right for that film really, only lunatics would think it is only worth 0.1 :P

 

The hate some people have for the prequels is a bit baffling, they ain't great but they are hardly the biggest crimes against humanity either.

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I really really enjoyed that. Could of easily been cut down, it felt like it was gonna end and then... It kept going. Very satisfying, clever and quite original though. There's quite a lot I could nit pick, it seems what is military possible varies conveniantly to suit the drama. But that makes drama, so fuck it. 

 

Concerning fuel, 

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This use to happen in the days of sail at sea, big boats can't catch little ones. I thought it was cool they brought that into space. 

Looking forward to reading all this now! Unless it's endless moaning.

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ok so i've read a few pages and no one has mentioned a thing in the last scene..

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were the boy uses the force to pick up the broom? I missed it but my friend is sure. He normally misses everything in films so wanted confirmation! Would also go some way to explain the casino scene. 

 

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1 hour ago, ahsoka said:

 

Because it’s a Star Wars film and Star Wars films have never concerned themselves with the technicalities of why things work or don’t. 

 

To nitpick the films for things like this is to engage them in a way that they were never meant to be engaged and is therefore unfair?

 

So because it's star wars I can't question plot holes or daft decisions because they're not meant to be viewed that way?Kay then. Should I check in with you every time I watch a film to make sure I'm doing it right? :coffee:

 

 

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Saw this yesterday in a packed cinema (never had to queue to use the gents before)

 

Majors flaws don’t stop it being a 9/10 for me. Real movie magic in some scenes that I thought had more or less disappeared from modern cinema.  

 

A few things 

 

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Where on earth did Chewie and the falcon go in the big climatic space battle?

 

Snoke is utter shit as a baddie with god awful cgi and I’m glad he’s gone. 

 

I don’t like names of the new characters and keep getting them muddled up. Nowhere near as good as Lucas managed, even in the prequels

 

its a good 20 minutes too long and as I said to my daughter it felt like 2 movies worth of ideas crammed into one movie 

 

I was wrong about the actor playing the baddie Jedi (Kylo Ren?), he was brilliant here and so was Daisy who has gotten some criticism 

 

and that Boyega bloke  is a fucking terrible actor as someone correctly pointed out on page 36 of the thread.

 

del toro (or whatever his name is) was shite as well, what was that fucking stutter all about (he is massively over rated as an actor, I only  really liked him in Bond)

 

I was utterly amazed that it wasn’t Lando who they found at the casino. I was getting all excited to see the return of my second favourite character from the OT (behind Luke obv)

 

BB8 is way cooler than R2

 

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On 16/12/2017 at 16:33, Garibaldi said:

Any personal/critic views from people who thought The Force Awakens was just okay? 

This was miles better

 

 

I am very confused about who is running the galaxy now. What happened after Jedi? Are the last order in control now?

 

one more thing

 

the opening crawls are  terrible now. Ditch em please

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I liked the casino bit too, by which I mean inside the actual casino, rather than other bits that happened around it. Had a proper Star Wars feel to it.

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Something I don't get. People rating as high scoring, e.g 9/10, better than Empire etc... 

 

However, they then either list out all the rubbish stuff about it (already covered in the thread) or ignore the blatantly rubbish stuff. 

 

IMO - it's a decent enough film, no way into the 9/10s or 10/10s though and certainly not better than Empire. 

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2 hours ago, mushashi said:

 

6.5 = mildly above average, the IMDB scale uses the full range, seems about right for that film really, only lunatics would think it is only worth 0.1 :P

 

The hate some people have for the prequels is a bit baffling, they ain't great but they are hardly the biggest crimes against humanity either.

 

I was being generous with 0.1 and I yhink the other two are worse. :lol:

 

A misconception I think people have about the prequels is that the weight of expectation could never have been satisfied. Very wrong, All any of them had to be was below average and they’d have been adored, carried along by goodwill.

 

But they are litetally barely watchable. A monumental achievement in bad acting, incompetent direction, terrible dialogue, bland sets, the worst CGI, overly childish and impenetrably beauracratic both at the same time. And that’s without even going into how Lucas seemingly failed to understand his own franchise, or even basic storytelling.

 

A showreel for Industrial Light & Magic with all the fun of an Excel spreadsheet. 

 

I remember friends coming over from L.A. airing disappointment and I refused to believe them. Everything they described sounded amazing, even if it was a bit crap.

 

Seeing the first one was like having a Dementor suck the life out of me. Over the years the second one was worse, despite still having hope, the third was exactly the same. :blink:

 

The first three and current batch, for all their faults, are varied and have the stamp of different directors on them so such a duff run again seems impossible.

 

I applaud anyone who can wring any form of entertainment out of the prequels. Wish I could.

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I love the story of Mayo and kermode taking a super fan to episode one. They really should if taken a photo of his face for posterity.

 

 

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Fighting in the War Room podcast had a good take on TLJ.

 

It’s about a Star Wars fanboy making a pilgrimage to Comicon only to realise their idol is an utter douchebag.

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1 hour ago, Orko said:

 

So because it's star wars I can't question plot holes or daft decisions because they're not meant to be viewed that way?Kay then. Should I check in with you every time I watch a film to make sure I'm doing it right? :coffee:

 

 

 

It’s nothing to with checking in with me, I’m just making a point that it’s a series that’s never ever concerned itself with technicalities such as why why one spaceship can’t catch up with another spaceship. That’s not a plot hole, Star Wars is fantasy not science fiction in the way that something like Star Trek is and so to question it is kind of missing the point. 

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58 minutes ago, ravnaz said:

Something I don't get. People rating as high scoring, e.g 9/10, better than Empire etc... 

 

However, they then either list out all the rubbish stuff about it (already covered in the thread) or ignore the blatantly rubbish stuff. 

 

IMO - it's a decent enough film, no way into the 9/10s or 10/10s though and certainly not better than Empire. 

Maybe other people have different opinions

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4 minutes ago, Jackson said:

Maybe other people have different opinions

Whaaaat!?!?

 

It's baffling people don't get this isn't it. I had a really really fun time at the cinema this morning. 9/10 so fuck you. ( Not you Jackson)

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7 hours ago, womblingfree said:

 

I don’t have much faith in JJ doing anything other than a JJ movie. Although hard to see how this is possible after TLJ basically tore down all the cheese he’d copy & pasted.

 

Yeah I'll say one thing for TLJ, TFA had a nasty habit of feeling like a New Hope remade as in the Marvel Universe, TLJ feels like a Star Wars, for better or worse.

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I know the prequels get a lot of hate but I'm currently watching the Phantom Menace and I do like the fact that its more richer in the various different alien variety scattered and more prominent in the film. Wish we could see more of that, and plus bring on an Ewok at least for a cameo.

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