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3 minutes ago, Disgraced Toblerone said:

Basically console gaming has become 90's PC gaming.

 

Great.

yeah there are only 4 levels tho

 

Xbox One/S - filthy pauper

PS4 - average joe good guy

PS4Pro - sensible richer person with just the right amount of power at his finger tips

Scorpio - More money than sense - we laugh at him

 

clear?

 

:D

 

 

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The big question is, what is this thing going to be called? If you were just given a promotion to MS Naming Division, what name you slapping on this? 

 

Xbox One Elite ? 

 

Ms love their elite branding. 

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40 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

It was my undersatdning that all games for Scoprio must also run on One/S. If thats not the case then of course that changes everything.

I think most people expect that will change over time. The way I see things going

 

2019

Stop selling the Xboxone S

 

 

2020

Release Xboxone Libra 

Make Scorpio the new baseline 

 

 

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2 hours ago, KriessG said:

 

Surely as an Xbox fanatic you'd have got a Bone at launch and be ready to upgrade to this? Sorry I just find the usage of fanatic a bit funny here with the following text. Fanatic to me would be a hardcore fan boy.

 

That's more the title this forum gives me every time I voice an opinion in a thread that doesn't follow the status quo ;) 

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2 hours ago, Down by Law said:

 

We've not seen a single in game screenshot or video since it's announcement in June 2014. For context, Uncharted 4 was announced 6 months earlier and came out nearly a year ago.

It's definitely being worked on. Two of my ex students are working on it.

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19 minutes ago, Philly said:

The big question is, what is this thing going to be called? If you were just given a promotion to MS Naming Division, what name you slapping on this? 

 

Xbox One Elite ? 

 

Ms love their elite branding. 

 

There's already an Xbox One Elite, which was released in November 2015. It's an old-style (non-S) One with a solid-state hybrid drive (SSHD) and an Elite controller.

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4 minutes ago, bear said:

I think most people expect that will change over time. The way I see things going

 

2019

Stop selling the Xboxone S

 

 

2020

Release Xboxone Libra 

Make Scorpio the new baseline 

 

 

 

As long as publishers still have the option to target One/S if they want then that's fine. The majority of Indie stuff could run on the base models for years, well after the AAA developers have moved on.

 

If it leads to a more organic generation transition, brilliant. If it's used by MS to artificially clamp generation times and force you into an upgrade cycle then not so good.

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24 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

I've corrected types since then... I'm assuming that's wut you're wutting at

 

 

No, I was 'wutting' over your point about price, a £50 difference between what is acceptable or not acceptable. If you're talking about your personal limit then that's fine, but if you're talking about the Scorpio needing to be as cheap as the competition to be a success then that would be wrong. Microsoft have stated that they don't expect the Scorpio to outsell the XBone let alone the PS4, so it seems to me that they're more focused on a long term strategy, and by future-proofing (for a while at least) the Scorpio then I fully expect the price to be nearer the £500 mark. If they do it for cheaper then great!

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1 hour ago, metallicfrodo said:

 

That's not true, that was running the same settings as the Xbone but with 4k textures. It didn't have everything that the PC Ultra settings would give you, it was just supposed to show how a quick upgrade would work. They suggested it might be able to get near they PC Ultra settings if they did more work on it because it was only using 55-70% of the GPU power.

 

From what I've seen so far, there is some evidence that Scorpio's true 4K performance could pose a challenge to the likes of Nvidia's GTX 1070 and AMD's Fury X-class hardware.

I've seen Microsoft's new console running a Forza Motorsport 6-level experience locked to 4K60 on the equivalent to PC's ultra settings - cranking up the quality presets to obscene levels was one of the first things developer Turn 10 did when confronted with the sheer amount of headroom it had left after a straight Xbox One port. Out of interest, we tested Forza 6 Apex with similar settings at 4K on GTX 1060, 1070 and 1080. Frames were dropped on GTX 1060 (and a lot of them when wet weather conditions kicked in), while GTX 1070 held firm with only the most intense wet weather conditions causing performance dips. Only GTX 1080 held completely solid in all test cases. It's only one data point, and the extent to which the code is comparable at all is debatable, but it certainly doesn't harm Scorpio's credentials: Forza 6 Apex received plenty of praise for the quality of its PC port.

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Which backs up the point I was making. That image showing the 65% usage is the straight xbox one port, it's not the full shines version. They knew they could do the full shines version because of that. I was just pointing out it wasn't running at Ultra PC setting with that GPU usage which was what King A appeared to be suggesting.

 

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Forza Motorsport. 4K, 60fps, Xbox One quality settings with 4K assets. GPU utilisation is at 66.19 per cent, meaning there's a huge amount of overhead left over for improving visuals still further. Click on the thumbnail for a higher resolution image.
 

 

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1 hour ago, PeteBrant said:

I can see where angel is coming from; raw 4k is a waste  if compromises are made to a  game that could display all it wanted too @ 1440p or 1800p checkerboarded . Simply because it's very hard ot tell the difference.

 

I find it much harder to tell the difference in some of the changes between high and ultra settings on PC than I do between resolution, that's my point. The difference between a checkerboarded 1800p in Horizon or FFXV on PS Pro and native 4k in say, The Witcher 3 on PC is hugely noticeable. I just find it odd when people with no experience of something make statements as fact.

 

This clip is PC focused, but it makes the same point. 

 

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1 hour ago, the_debaser said:

What exactly is today about then, just confirmation that 'yeah it's quite powerful'? Which we already knew?

 

Absolute complete and utter waste of time. 

 

 

 

Clearing up exactly what the specs are and what it does with current games. 

 

Now all that shit is out of the way they can get on with promoting the console and pushing the preorders and games in the coming weeks/months.

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Well I had no interest in buying an Xbox One before this reveal and I have just as little interest in buying an Xbox One after it! That's mainly because, as a gamer, the Xbox just doesn't have the games to merit the outlay and that's coming from a huge fan of the 360. I also have zero interest in upgrading to a PS4 Pro because I just can't justify the benefits it supposedly provides, for the amount of cash it costs. 

 

Personally, i think all of this upgraded console bullshit is exactly that - bullshit. It's just a way for companies to make even more cash by selling un-needed products, to people that have got the attention spans of goldfish. A lot of stuff is like that these days, it's consumerism gone mad! 

 

That said, I really don't understand Microsoft's thinking and plans for all of this at all. "Why's that?" most of you are probably not thinking. Go on then, I'll tell you anyway! :) 

 

Last time I heard, Sony had sold over double the amount of PS4s as Microsoft had sold Xbox Ones. So Sony have a far larger market share than Microsoft, which is what ultimately attracts 3rd party developers, as that's where the spondoolies are. It kind of makes sense for Sony to add to and strengthen that successful brand (and maximise cash flow, KERCHING), by offering a PS4 Pro and backing the need for it up with the PSVR. Yeah, it's not for me but, I can understand the thinking behind it.

 

Microsoft on the other hand are playing catch up. They've ballsed things up big time and lost pretty much all the gains they made with the 360. The Xbox One has struggled against its competitor, not just in terms of hardware but also in terms of quality games. They're now releasing an upgrade to a console that's already struggling. Why would anyone want to spend even more money, on an upgraded version of a console, that they already have little interest in? Why would an already existing Xbox One owner, want to upgrade to the Scorpio, just to play the same games they can already play on their base system, only with slightly shinier graphics? None of that makes any sense. It's been proved time and time again that it's not power that counts in terms of success. For example - Wii, PS2 etc. The Scorpio will ultimately not only be limited by the base Xbox One, just as the Pro is by the base PS4 but, also, the Xbox One 3rd party stuff will be limited by the PS4 itself and it's user base.....just as the far more powerful Xbox was against the PS2. 

 

Not only that but, by the time the Scorpio arrives on shelves it means Microsoft are going to have to leave a bigger gap before releasing their next "next gen" console or product, or risk alienating their own loyal customers. They're essentially putting the ball into Sony's court and allowing them to always be one step ahead of the game. PS5 anybody? So, no matter what happens, whether they stick with console upgrades or go for full on new hardware, Microsoft are now essentially way behind the loop for the foreseeable future. Which really does show Sega levels of incompetence after how awesome the 360 was.

 

The only way they can possibly change any of that is through driving sales with exclusive third party games and genuine AAA first party titles. They've failed spectacularly at that so far this gen and had very little that's fresh and new to offer. I can't see that changing myself. It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens at E3 this year!

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1 hour ago, metallicfrodo said:

Which backs up the point I was making. That image showing the 65% usage is the straight xbox one port, it's not the full shines version. They knew they could do the full shines version because of that. I was just pointing out it wasn't running at Ultra PC setting with that GPU usage which was what King A appeared to be suggesting.

 

From under the image

 

You can tell from just looking at the image at native Res it's not the full blown ultra settings. The textures on the cars aren't great and the crowd are bad. But yeah, plenty of room to whack the settings up. :)

 

question is, are we getting Forza 7 or not?

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