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1 hour ago, teddymeow said:

Never!! 

 

Connery, Craig, Brosnan, Lazenby, Moore.


Shock second place for Lazenby behind the mighty Moore!

 

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Trailer looks... alright. If his name wasn’t said every two seconds I’d think Daniel Craig is in a fairly generic new action film.
 

Agree about making Bond films self-contained; make them loopy, OTT. Give them a new director with fresh ideas each time. The world doesn’t need po-faced Bond, it needs the mad sexy bastard with an underwater car, a fake third nipple and a sofa that eats people.

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37 minutes ago, mexos said:

It looks like it will be a fine and fitting sequel to Spectre. Shite.

 

The best thing they could do is go back to Bond films that are self contained. Fuck any notion of a cinematic universe. Make each film feel like a one off. New villain. New crisis. Hell play around with the time period you set it in, just mix it up ffs.

 

This hits the nail on the head for me. Forget universe building. M, Q etc should be throwaway and they need to lighten up now the real world is going to shit.

 

I couldnt give a toss about 007s love life, and it looks like poor Craig isn't going to actually get to do a normal mission. 

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7 hours ago, Ran said:

I think Spectre was bad but nothing beats Die Another Day in the wretched, awfulness stakes. The stupid invisible car, Madonna 'acting' and the most eye-wateringly bad CGI shit-fest of Bond para surfing on a tea tray stretching the plausability so far he may has well of jumped over a fucking shark!

 

Die Another Day is the second ‘best’ (third worst?) Brosnan film. It’s camp, it’s cringe, it’s oh-so-fucking-naughties, it’s the modern day Moonraker. Of course what I’m actually saying here is that Brosnan only has one good film, but I think people forget just how fucking boring the other two are, and with retrospect at least DAD has kitsch value.

 

Plus the sword fight is legit decent, bizarrely.

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It looks exactly like the last 3 Bond films, unneccessarily beautiful cinematography giving it an overall portentous seriousness that bogs it down and a lack of fresh ideas for action sequences/stunts that even when they’re done for real look (to me) cgi anyway (the pointless bike leap). The middle eastern parts look like Quantum of Solace, the shots in the countryside look like Skyfall. The returning villain and love interest a continuation of Spectre’s complete ineptness to establish any coherence or logic.

 

It doesn’t work, it won’t work, half of the audience will be bored out of their mind, the other half will be presumably critics who momentarily lose all critical faculty and absorb the monumental dullness to then write a glowing review where you worry about their state of mind. That 2 hour+ long series of barely connected sequences, you liked that? That car chase that was about as thrilling as a car advert, that excited you? 

 

I’m so bored of films that don’t grapple with tone and churn out the most tired stylistic cliches and tropes of the era they are made in. 

 

If you can’t do something fresh don’t fucking bother, it just becomes an expensive insult. yeah really. Spectre was like the last straw you know, the point of no return. The Die Another Day wake up where you sit back and view the monstrosity with clarity and think; yeah let’s not go there again. 

 

This will probably make a billion won’t it

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Another super-serious Bond for these troubled times we live in. I think Craig looking and sounding like he really despises doing these doesn’t help too. Casino Royale was really enjoyable and definitely one of the best Bonds, but his others have really stunk the place out. I’m not sure it’s a popular opinion, but Skyfall especially annoys me with it’s stupidly  convoluted route to get the baddie banged up so he can break out again and get up to his antics. It’s just such a scruffy rubbish plot that irritates me to even think about.

 

One thing I loved from Casino Royale was that opening monochrome sequence. It was so genuinely gritty and exciting and evoked such a strong Cold War espionage vibe. It would be an absolute bomb I’m sure, but I wish someone would go rogue and inject some radical thinking like that. I mean, if you want something surprising maybe don’t expect it from the 25th sequel in a series, but give it a bash maybe lads.

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16 hours ago, Loik V credern said:

The middle eastern parts...

This is a really petty point but you've said this twice now. Trust me as someone who's traveled extensively in the Middle East, no part of the trailer looks like it was filmed there - and a quick Google confirms this (and neither was Quantum of Solace).

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5 hours ago, Art Vandelay said:

Another super-serious Bond for these troubled times we live in. I think Craig looking and sounding like he really despises doing these doesn’t help too. Casino Royale was really enjoyable and definitely one of the best Bonds, but his others have really stunk the place out. I’m not sure it’s a popular opinion, but Skyfall especially annoys me with it’s stupidly  convoluted route to get the baddie banged up so he can break out again and get up to his antics. It’s just such a scruffy rubbish plot that irritates me to even think about.

 

One thing I loved from Casino Royale was that opening monochrome sequence. It was so genuinely gritty and exciting and evoked such a strong Cold War espionage vibe. It would be an absolute bomb I’m sure, but I wish someone would go rogue and inject some radical thinking like that. I mean, if you want something surprising maybe don’t expect it from the 25th sequel in a series, but give it a bash maybe lads.


Casino Royale really is a load of old shit. It was just so less shit than other Bonds and had such a great opening sequence that people didn't realise how shit it was.

Remember that whole sinking building bit at the end in Vienna....! JEESUS

Skyfall is proper up there as one of the worst stinkers of all time. Especially with the stone cold rape in the middle by our hero.

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7 hours ago, MechE said:

This is a really petty point but you've said this twice now. Trust me as someone who's traveled extensively in the Middle East, no part of the trailer looks like it was filmed there - and a quick Google confirms this (and neither was Quantum of Solace).

 

Would ‘remote parts of southern italy’ be better for you? You know sandy places. The locations are part of its brochure along with the cars and watches. The films are like one long advert like you get in those expensive fashion magazines, but in moving form with some murder and explosions thrown in. When there is only an incoherent plot and an overwhelming emphasis on making every shot look beautiful that’s all you’re left with. Bond has always travelled, along with the gadgets it is one of the enduring appeals of the series but it’s how it’s used now in a mostly superfluous way.

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19 hours ago, kerraig UK said:


Casino Royale really is a load of old shit. It was just so less shit than other Bonds and had such a great opening sequence that people didn't realise how shit it was.

Remember that whole sinking building bit at the end in Vienna....! JEESUS

Skyfall is proper up there as one of the worst stinkers of all time. Especially with the stone cold rape in the middle by our hero.

 

We’re currently on a two film streak of Bond casually raping someone partway through. Roger Moore may have been very condescending to women, but he never climbed into a stranger’s shower and just started fondling them, or raped a women at her husband’s funeral (who he murdered). 

 

Spectre has to be one of the most morally confused films I’ve ever seen. 

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"Rolex?"

 

"No, Omega".

 

Wasn't that in Casino Royale? Probably the most blatant product placement push ever seen in a blockbuster.

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5 hours ago, Purin said:

"Rolex?"

 

"No, Omega".

 

Wasn't that in Casino Royale? Probably the most blatant product placement push ever seen in a blockbuster.

 

It was product placement, but at least it can be read as being in-character: it shows he's got a specific taste in luxury items. Since it took place in a scene where Bond and Vesper were making a show of sussing each other out, you can assume that Bond is a character who would have a good reason for preferring Omega to the more well-known Rolex (and if it was a novel, the author would have probably dedicated a paragraph to explaining why). Just like he had a reason for switching from Beretta to Walther.

 

Having said that, in the Fleming novels and pre-Brosnan films, Rolex was his watch of choice!

 

IMO the Sony stuff (the Blu-Ray player in the CCTV system; the VAIO laptop) was more distracting product placement. And even just sticking to Omega watches in Bond films, Casino Royale is much less blatant than GoldenEye!

 

And it's far from the most blatant product placement in a blockbuster: Blade Trinity's iPod scene? The full-screen Dr Pepper can when Spider-Man is practicing web shooting?

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There's a Gordons gin advert in Casino Royale too iirc.

 

I,Robot has the worst product placement i can think of by miles though. "Nice Sneakers" indeed.

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Why are people so against product placement? Taking the I, Robot example, he just shows him his Converse. Or the cars being Audi. For me, it makes it feel more naturalistic and grounded, rather than being a blatant ad. I don’t get why it bothers people so much.

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For the car ones, the shot is often framed like a car advert rather than focusing on the actors, which takes you out of the film. For example, there a long scene in Knocked Up where the whole thing feels like a VW ad rather than a scene of character development:

 

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17 minutes ago, Pob said:

For the car ones, the shot is often framed like a car advert rather than focusing on the actors, which takes you out of the film. For example, there a long scene in Knocked Up where the whole thing feels like a VW ad rather than a scene of character development:

 

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I haven’t seen it to be fair, but I’m struggling to think of any that have taken me out of a film. Off the top of my head, and only listing a few, the only blatant ones I can think of are...

 

Marty asking for a Pepsi Free in BttF.

Coca-Cola billboard in Blade Runner.

The I, Robot ones mentioned above.

 

There are obviously loads of other, more incidental ones.

 

Maybe it’s just something I’m not sensitive to. But, like I said, I think it helps films feel more realistic, when people are talking about actual products we’re used to.

 

Case in point. In the first Mission Impossible film, and plenty of others, where they use some made up tech UI. That really pulls me out of a film.

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There's ways of doing it that make a film seem more real because of the use of products people recognise, like how they have real goods in the shops in eastenders or what have you. However there are loads of glory shots in films which are ridiculously egregious and can actively slow down films/ shows or make people seemingly act out of character to just comment on a particular product. 

 

Terminator 3, while obviously shit anyway has the female terminator (sorry, can't remember the model number) say how much she likes a lexus, why would a robot do that? 

There's ridiculous examples of it in NCIS iirc where an investigation effectively stops for someone to literally advertise how great and healthy subway is. Michael bay movies are also terrible for it too. 

 

Lucky for you if you don't notice it I suppose but often it's just done embarrassingly. 

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So it’s just badly done in shit movies then. Got it. I’ll keep avoiding them!

 

Actually, are there any examples of it being a bit blatant and off-putting in something decent?

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21 minutes ago, b00dles said:

There's ridiculous examples of it in NCIS iirc where an investigation effectively stops for someone to literally advertise how great and healthy subway is. Michael bay movies are also terrible for it too. 

 

That was Hawaii 5-0:

 

 

 

Community also had Subway product placement, but they made the obviousness into a joke. (I'm surprised that the company went along with being the butt of the joke, since it didn't paint them in a good light.)

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1 minute ago, Nick R said:

 

That was Hawaii 5-0:

 

 

 

Community also had Subway product placement, but they made the obviousness into a joke. (I'm surprised that the company went along with being the butt of the joke, since it didn't paint them in a good light.)

There you go, same production company though/ dick wolf though isn't it? Either way, that sort of thing is why it can be terrible. 

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I always notice the Sony product placement in their studio movies, it really stands out for some reason. That Casino Royale one above, for example. Everyone is using Sony mobiles in Sony films. No idea why I spot it so much.

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Bond wouldn't use Sony phones or laptops anyway. He'd be an Apple wanker, or one of those guys that buys those ridiculous "luxury" overpriced Android phones, if they still exist.

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2 hours ago, McFly said:

There's a Gordons gin advert in Casino Royale too iirc.

 

I,Robot has the worst product placement i can think of by miles though. "Nice Sneakers" indeed.

This takes some beating
 

 

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14 minutes ago, kerraig UK said:

This takes some beating
 

 

Why? It just looks like part of the plot to me. Cool bastard thinks of a distraction with the beer, has a little swig, then executes the plan. It seems totally in character. Yeah, it’s Coors, but what’s wrong with that?

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