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No Time To Die: Bond 25 - Delayed Again to Easter 2021


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On 08/03/2020 at 10:58, gone fishin' said:

Daniel Craig was on Saturday Night Live last night

 

I can only presume this was booked months ago as part of the marketing hype build up for the original release date. Poor Daniel Craig apparently hates doing this promotional shit and he's going to have to do it all again in November...

 

I'd heard this about him hating having to do any sort of promotion or related stuff that wasn't acting, like VOs for the few Bond games he's done. Wasn't he going on about how sick and tired he was of it all before accepting what presumably was a nice big cheque to do another one? My heart bleeds for the poor man, it really does. 

 

As for this film I'd like it to be moderately successful enough they'll want to keep making Bond films but enough of a flop they give the franchise the kick up the arse it so desperately deserves. I've said it before but right now a nostalgia hit of daft-Bond would be welcome even if it is super-safe. 

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1 minute ago, Vimster said:

 

I'd heard this about him hating having to do any sort of promotion or related stuff that wasn't acting, like VOs for the few Bond games he's done. Wasn't he going on about how sick and tired he was of it all before accepting what presumably was a nice big cheque to do another one? My heart bleeds for the poor man, it really does. 

 

 

A counterpoint to this is a mate of mine who works in VFX who says Craig is an absolute gent who really takes a battering in these films. For Quantum of Solace he was made do a windtunnel skydiving thing over and over with a damaged ankle and he did it without complaint. Then they replaced most of it with CGI for the film.

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6 minutes ago, Festoon said:

 

A counterpoint to this is a mate of mine who works in VFX who says Craig is an absolute gent who really takes a battering in these films. For Quantum of Solace he was made do a windtunnel skydiving thing over and over with a damaged ankle and he did it without complaint. Then they replaced most of it with CGI for the film.

I'm sure he's enough of a professional to do a good job and put the effort in for the films, and he did fit the bill as a modern Bond, certainly when his run started. Would have liked to know his motivation for doing this new one if it was something he felt he wasn't enjoying any more. 

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My brother-in-law worked on this. The finished version that he saw pre-lockdown is now not going to be the release version.  They've used the intervening period to recut the film. Looking like it's going to be reduced a fair bit. 

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Another issue with Craig era Bond is that the regular supporting characters are all just a bit dull. Think back to Lois Ruth Maxwell as Moneypenny, Desmond Wilkinson Llewelyn as Q, Bernard Lee as M and the chemistry each Bond actor had with them in those scenes. Can you think of a memorable scene with Ben Whishaw or Ralph Fiennes? Nah.

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51 minutes ago, Vimster said:

 

 

As for this film I'd like it to be moderately successful enough they'll want to keep making Bond films but enough of a flop they give the franchise the kick up the arse it so desperately deserves. I've said it before but right now a nostalgia hit of daft-Bond would be welcome even if it is super-safe. 

 

I think this is the time when it's going to be the hardest for EON to refresh the Bond franchise, they've done the Casino Royale "Bond from the beginning" while making it heavily influenced from the more realistic Bourne films, but that was 14 years ago now and it's now a very different time. There's the Mission Impossible films which seems to have cornered the right mix of fantasy and realism, but there's not much else that's really relevant film wise to Bond at the moment. I'm also  not sure if they can do another reboot with a new Q, new M etc (do we really need another Bond origins story?) and the films just feel a bit too tired to just drop in another Bond like they did with Lazenby and Moore with the same supporting cast. I'm not sure they can even do a Brosnan style "fossil of an outdated era" spin on the next Bond.

 

They really should give it to someone really visionary to come up with an actual good story arc over a trilogy (cough.. Nolan... but then he's done Tenet now so has maybe lost that itch). But what I think what will likely happen after this one is Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson will sell EON, along with Bond, to someone else. There was a rumour a couple of years ago they were trying to sell it on and Apple or Amazon were supposedly in talks to buy it with the idea of a "Bond Expanded Universe" ... urrrgh. 

 

And whoever bought EON would also be able to reboot Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (I think they also own The Ipcress File/Harry Palmer films). That's got to be worth an extra couple billion, right??

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21 minutes ago, Marlowe said:

Another issue with Craig era Bond is that the regular supporting characters are all just a bit dull. Think back to Lois Ruth Maxwell as Moneypenny, Desmond Wilkinson Llewelyn as Q, Bernard Lee as M and the chemistry each Bond actor had with them in those scenes. Can you think of a memorable scene with Ben Whishaw or Ralph Fiennes? Nah.

Yes, for all the wrong reasons. Ben Whisaw drying telling Bond they don't do gadgets any more like it was a good thing.

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4 hours ago, Vimster said:

Yes, for all the wrong reasons. Ben Whisaw drying telling Bond they don't do gadgets any more like it was a good thing.

 

In that case, it was a good thing, because it gave us the surprise of Bond calling in the cavalry with a smug "latest thing from Q branch; it's called a radio." That bit worked on me because at that point I'd completely forgotten he was given it.

 

At least: I found that bit effective on first viewing. It seemed less triumphant once it turned out to be the second of three 2012-13 blockbusters that did The Dark Knight's "villain wanted to be captured" trick, as @Swallow alluded to above.

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Personally I would love a ‘Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy’ style film where Bond actually does some espionage in a realistic way but I realise that would never sell. 
 

I’d also love a Nolan Bond Trilogy as I think he is an amazing director who could really re-invigorate the ‘franchise’ just like he did with Batman. But that probably won’t happen. 
 

Realistically, I’d settle for a Bond film where the plot isn’t “Bond goes rogue but it turns out he was right all along”. 
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Gigawatt said:

Realistically, I’d settle for a Bond film where the plot isn’t “Bond goes rogue but it turns out he was right all along”. 

 

 

Same with Mission Impossible. I'd say with that and Bond: stop making Hunt/Bond the story and have them in a story. I don't want someone from their past coming back, or them going rogue, or them being framed. Loads of potential.

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22 hours ago, Stopharage said:

My brother-in-law worked on this. The finished version that he saw pre-lockdown is now not going to be the release version.  They've used the intervening period to recut the film. Looking like it's going to be reduced a fair bit. 

 

I do wonder if all these delayed films will turn out better than they would have done otherwise. There's way more time for editing and VFX, so pacing and the look of 2020's blockbusters should be bang on without the usual insane time pressure to get them finished. So maybe we're in for a golden autumn (balanced against the lack of opportunity for reshoots if scenes aren't working).

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22 hours ago, Stopharage said:

My brother-in-law worked on this. The finished version that he saw pre-lockdown is now not going to be the release version.  They've used the intervening period to recut the film. Looking like it's going to be reduced a fair bit. 

 

Can he share anything else? Not content but the thinking as to why it's being trimmed.

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15 hours ago, Gigawatt said:

Personally I would love a ‘Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy’ style film where Bond actually does some espionage in a realistic way but I realise that would never sell. 


Roger Moore once said how bad a spy Bond actually is - he goes round telling everyone his real name, and everyone knows who he is and what he likes to drink. 

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2 hours ago, Glasgowchivas said:

 

Can he share anything else? Not content but the thinking as to why it's being trimmed.

He's been furloughed during the process as he's just had his second kid but his boss has been editing the first version down. He's due to see the reshot version in a couple of weeks but seems like they've cut the running time as it was due to be the longest Bond yet. He was raving about it back in March. Said it was likely to be quite divisive though, so thinks they may have toned a few things down a bit. I hate spoilers so he knows not to go into any detail with me but he said it was quite the tonal shift. 

 

He's also been working on Antebellum and said it's great. Just watched the trailer and looks promising. 

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  • 2 months later...

There it is.  I have to say I think it looks pretty good.  Maybe I've been starved of blockbusters in the summer but the visuals and the actions seem great at least.  And is it me or is Bond not quite as glum in this one?

 

 

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I like sexy karate lady with two guns and a garter belt.  I may as well consign myself to the (horrible) history books right now.


Conversely, I also think the new "00" looks cool as a cucumber.  Maybe there's hope for me.


Nah.  I'm in my mid-40s.  I'm the monster now.

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