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No Time To Die: Bond 25 - Delayed Yet Again to November 2021


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3 hours ago, Festoon said:

Every time they make a good one (Casino Royale for example) they completely fuck it up by looking to the past, paying homage to bullshit abritary anniversaries of Bond, etc. They can't help themselves.

 

They've only done the anniversary thing twice: Die Another Day (film #20) and Skyfall (50th anniversary). The references to past films are the least of DAD's problems. And Skyfall's retreat into the past, represented by the DB5, is at least thematically appropriate.

 

As for them looking to the past: yes, SPECTRE was an example of that, but as with DAD I think the issues are with the way it's executed, rather than with the basic idea.

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Also: 53 pages! Is this the highest page count that a Rllmuk thread about a single film has ever reached, prior to the film's release? (Apart from The Force Awakens thread and its endless pages of punnery, obviously.)

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14 minutes ago, Nick R said:

 

They've only done the anniversary thing twice: Die Another Day (film #20) and Skyfall (50th anniversary). The references to past films are the least of DAD's problems. And Skyfall's retreat into the past, represented by the DB5, is at least thematically appropriate.

 

As for them looking to the past: yes, SPECTRE was an example of that, but as with DAD I think the issues are with the way it's executed, rather than with the basic idea.

 

They need an on-set nostalgia wrangler. Weed that shit out. Fuck the car, fuck the tux, fuck all the stuff that doesn't make sense in the 2020s.

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7 hours ago, Nick R said:

 

They've only done the anniversary thing twice: Die Another Day (film #20) and Skyfall (50th anniversary). The references to past films are the least of DAD's problems. And Skyfall's retreat into the past, represented by the DB5, is at least thematically appropriate.

 

 

 

If they'd waited another 4 months, No Time To Die would have been the 60th anniversary. 

 

First time since 1992 they've not had an anniversary film (The Living Daylights was the 25th anniversary) and the whole "Happy Birthday Bond"/"The UKs Favourite Bond Shags" ITV specials. At least they had an excuse in 1992, the whole MGM legal wrangling stopped any Bond film from being made for years. They probably should have delayed No Time To Die until January, just shows you how desperate they must be for the cash.

 

(I always liked the anniversary type references in Living Daylights, certainly had a bit more class, like it being the return of the Aston Martin, not used since Diamonds Are Forever however it's not a DB5 thankfully, the three other 00 agents at the start being similar to Connery, Lazenby and Moore plus Bond smoking 50 fags a day)

 

 

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13 hours ago, Festoon said:

 

They need an on-set nostalgia wrangler. Weed that shit out. Fuck the car, fuck the tux, fuck all the stuff that doesn't make sense in the 2020s.

Fuck going rogue, as well. 

 

I'd like to see Craig's Bond turn up for work one day and *gasp* actually do his job. 

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55 minutes ago, Steve McQueef said:

Fuck going rogue, as well. 

 

I'd like to see Craig's Bond turn up for work one day and *gasp* actually do his job. 

Going rogue is the laziest way to create some drama since putting a family member in peril. It turns what is essentially a disagreement into a life-or-death struggle, casting the government as the baddie and making the goodie the centre of the story when they should be a catalyst for someone else's story. Bourne, Mission Impossible, Bond, you've done it, move on. 

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Licence to Kill was the first Bond film with a “Bond goes rogue” plot, wasn’t it? Then (IIRC) Tomorrow Never Dies a few films later. It’d almost be the deepest subversion of expectations if Bond closely obeys his orders to the letter in a future film.

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It sort of made sense as a contrivance in Licence to Kill as it then meant Bond could arse about an interesting world MI6 had no business being in. Once he's told M where to stick his job at the Hemingway House he's pretty much left to his own devices and can frolic in an 80s action movie to his heart's content. It's used horribly in the rest of them, especially Skyfall where the whole secret service run amok for the last third. That one is a stinker from top to bottom. 

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I wonder if it's a reflection of changing attitudes and politics? I guess when the Bond films first started out there was more trust in government and the East v West thing that meant everyone was on-board with government spying, and more general patriotism in the air. These days it's more about the individual superhero trusting their own moral compass and sacking off the useless government mandarins.

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On 31/08/2021 at 23:06, Nick R said:

Also: 53 pages! Is this the highest page count that a Rllmuk thread about a single film has ever reached, prior to the film's release? (Apart from The Force Awakens thread and its endless pages of punnery, obviously.)

 

No Time to Rear Windu

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I'm sure all those of you who have been so optimistic about this movie so far will be overjoyed to learn that its running time has been announced:

 

163 minutes!

 

Yes, it's the longest Bond film, 15 minutes longer than SPECTRE. (But I bet it won't feel as long as Thunderball.)

 

Some other films of similar running times:

 

Watchmen (theatrical) - 162 min

Avatar (theatrical) - 162 min

The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp - 163 min

Blade Runner 2049 - 164 min

The Dark Knight Rises - 164 min

Munich - 164 min

Once Upon a Time in the West - 164 min

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It's why I love watching old movies that clock in at 90 minutes. They often somehow pack in more plot than today's overly padded blockbusters. I know  there's a couple of old movies in that list, but their lengths were the exception back then.

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There’s been as much time between this and Spectre as there was between License to Kill & Goldeneye, and Craig has now been Bond three years longer than Moore was. My expectations are at rock bottom, it can’t be as bad as Spectre but in all regards looks like more of the same.

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Damn, you're right. 2015!! Didn't think it was that long ago. After a great start, it's been a pretty poor tenure for Craig. I can't imagine rewatching any of his films as much as I've rewatched other Bond films. I think rewatchability ended at GoldenEye for me. Anything after that I've watched once, twice tops.

 

The big problem with the Craig films is the half arsed attempts at doing a continuing story. I'd much rather each film be its own self contained thing.

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I agree with the forumites that think it looks like the studio’s written it off and dumping it out to get some return and move on; however I also hope that it isn’t a total flop because the alt-right grifters will let rip and blame it all on Lashana Lynch.

 

Still… I have to admit I’m more interested in seeing who the next Bond is than seeing NTTD, at this point. Plus, whoever is cast, the entire series need a major rethink at least as radical as the changes between Die Another Day and Casino Royale. 

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On 12/09/2021 at 01:37, Monkeyboy said:

Damn, you're right. 2015!! Didn't think it was that long ago. After a great start, it's been a pretty poor tenure for Craig. I can't imagine rewatching any of his films as much as I've rewatched other Bond films. I think rewatchability ended at GoldenEye for me. Anything after that I've watched once, twice tops.

 

The big problem with the Craig films is the half arsed attempts at doing a continuing story. I'd much rather each film be its own self contained thing.


Tomorrow Never Dies is surprisingly good. 

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On 13/09/2021 at 15:45, Steve McQueef said:

I'm in the mood to throw on some Rog tonight, trying to remember what ones of his me and the missus have already watched together. 

 

You can't go wrong with Live and Let Die.

 

"Names is for tombstones baby!"

 

The wife and I watched the final trailer for No Time to Die the other night. I said "It's obvious that Freddie Mercury is Dr No. His name's even in the title of the film!"

 

She replied "I wouldn't know. I've never seen it." She loves Sean Connery and has seen most of the other Bond films. Never seen Dr No? Where's the divorce papers?

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On 13/09/2021 at 13:10, Steve McQueef said:

As much as I loathe Skyfall and Spectre, I do want old Craigy to have a decent final outing. 

 

Bless em.

 

 I want to see him get brutally killed in the opening montage and the entire film is actually about another character like Moneypenny just going about her everyday duties.

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31 minutes ago, mexos said:

 

 I want to see him get brutally killed in the opening montage and the entire film is actually about another character like Moneypenny just going about her everyday duties.

 

I just want to spend two an a half hours having a poke around M's office with the padded door. I've loved that room since I was a nipper watching the Moore and Connery films.

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