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I think he liked the work/character, but hated the promotional aspect. I remember prior to Casino Royale's release he was interviewed on Radio 2 and he sound bored, annoyed and completely uninterested.He's always seemed like that to me, to be honest. 

 

I think signing on as Bond becomes a full time thing, even when you're not filming you're still Bond. And it'll take Craig years to shake that off as well. I think he resented the fact that as soon as he became Bond, he ended up being Bond in whatever he did. 

 

But I also imagine he made a fortune, won't need to work again and got to work with both Eva Green and Monica Belluci. As well as marry Rachel Wieze.

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Four films is as long a stint as any of them have done for ages now, so it's not that big a surprise. It's the writers that need a shake-up though - SPECTRE was chock full of lazy plot devices to get between action scenes.

 

Also, why am I tiny now?

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On 05/17/2016 at 7:29 PM, sandman said:

I think most of the bookies "favourites" are far too famous. I barley knew who Craig was, only knew Brosnan from a shitty tv show  (and Taffin) and had never heard of Dalton at all. 

 

I think Matthew Goode is in with a chance and there was someone I thought would be perfect in the role, but now I've forgotten who!

 

 

Yeah, the don't tend to go for established big names.

Dan Stevens maybe.

 

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12 hours ago, moora said:

Daniel Craig is a miserable bastard. I mean, get to play the worlds greatest spy (after Sterling Archer) AND get paid $100m to do it??

 

Time to move onto someone else who's enthusiastic about the role...

 

Maybe he'd like to be in films that aren't boring, repetitive shit? Like Casino Royale, but more of them instead of the pathetic slide the Bond franchise always takes back into the same tired shit it's been peddling for 60 years that we got instead.

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1 hour ago, Broker said:

 

Maybe he'd like to be in films that aren't boring, repetitive shit? Like Casino Royale, but more of them instead of the pathetic slide the Bond franchise always takes back into the same tired shit it's been peddling for 60 years that we got instead.

Maybe, but seeing as he's now a co-producer of the films you'd expect him to have some input on them.

 

Unless it's just a way of paying him more money and he has now input at all.

 

No doubt that the promotional requirements of Bond would be hard work. Even in the late 80s Dalton complained about it, saying you really spent 6 months on a promotional tour (plus people would come up to him in the street and expect him to be like James Bond and would be surprised that he didn't like racing Aston Martins but preferred riding his motorbike). It pissed off Connery so much that he couldn't take a shit in Japan during filming of You Only Live Twice without the press trying to get in.

 

It must be a lot tougher now with a global audience and global release dates, then you've got DVD promotion work too. Getting asked the same questions day after day ("do you like vodka martinis? Who is your favourite Bond?") must get repetitive. But was he expecting anything else when he signed up for it? The money is great, you get to play James Bond.

 

Except he looks bored and tired and that's now coming across in his portrayal of Bond. Instead of, you know, acting... It's almost getting to the level of the Goldeneye Reloaded level of performance (which I believe was done through a phone... ;-) )

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On 5/17/2016 at 10:01 AM, CarloOos said:

I can only assume everyone doubting Hiddlestone is basing it on his performance as Loki rather than The Night Manager or High Rise, because he's absolutely ripped and looks sharp in a suit.
 

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Even leaving his age aside Elba would be dreadful, as he has been in everything else for the last decade.  How he's become some sort of national treasure is beyond me, good looking fellow no doubt but there's only so long you can coast on The Wire nostalgia.

 

As much as I'd love to see either of them they'll never go for Fassbender or Hardy, too high profile.  I'd be more than happy with Dan Stevens after The Guest, and he seems to have a similar sort of pre-Bond exposure level that they usually go for.

 

Luther! :P

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On 20/05/2016 at 2:30 PM, Protocol Penguin said:

I wonder how far they were into writing the next Bond film, and how much it was written with the Craig Bond in mind. (Didn't the studio plan to film Spectre back-to-back with its follow-up?)

 

His Bond has become really generic though and nothing special. I don't think it'd be much work to rejig a script for a different one.

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On 20 May 2016 at 5:30 PM, Protocol Penguin said:

I wonder how far they were into writing the next Bond film, and how much it was written with the Craig Bond in mind. (Didn't the studio plan to film Spectre back-to-back with its follow-up?)

 

There's a story about Slade's 'Gudbuy T'Jane'. Originally Noddy Holder sang the chorus as, 'Hello to Jane' but was told by Jim Lea that he should go for a sad song, so without missing a beat Noddy sung what would become the memorable lime of the glam rock anthem.

 

Vice versa could be applied to the next Bond script; just find and replace all the bits where Daniel was supposed to be glum, mildly perturbed or peeved et voila.

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They need rid of him. He's looked like he's been phoning it in for a while now. I want someone to play the role that wants to play the role. Look at him in CR. There is a spark there that tbh has been lacking in everything post CR.

 

Also, take the 100m cheque, do the bloody work. Don't want the 100m? Don't take the cheque. He reminds me of Raikkonen in F1 - sullen, spoilt brat in a way. You signed up for it and took all the good things that come with it. So do your bloody job with a smile and be professional.

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Yeah, but some of these actors are artists dahhhhling!

 

Gervais is a bit of a bellend at times but loved his interview with Mayo & Kermode when doing promotion for The Muppets. He said why wouldn't you enjoy what he does, essentially playing make believe for a living and it's not work.

 

Obviously not everyone handles fame the same, and I think personally I'd crack up within a week of being famous but I've got no desire to be. Yet it does grate hearing A-list actors whinge about a role that, yeah might be intrusive at times, but means they literally don't have to work a day again and can do pretty much whatever they choose until they pop their clogs, and when in all likelihood they would have sold their right lung for where they've got to when they were starting out.

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Jamie Bell is the latest actor to be courted by Barbara Broccoli. 

 

"We need someone younger to re-invigorate the franchise. Yes. Yes, someone who could carry off the Bond as a thug thing that Daniel did so well, at first. Yes. Also he should be tiny. This Bond should have at least one scene per film where he is smuggled inside someone's pocket" 

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Bond has to be a decent age. You can't have some punk straight out of Marine training being a 00 operator! You've got to be thinking they've been through the marines, then SBS/SAS, then into SIS before becoming 00... at least mid 30s I'd say, if not older.... but hey, why am I attempting to put Bond into reality? :P

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On 17/05/2016 at 11:38 AM, K said:

I’d be happy with Tom Hiddlestone. We’ve had intense, sad, violent Bond for the past decade, so I think Fassbender or Bale would be a poor choice – you’d want a new actor with a different take on the character, surely? Bale in particular would just be another musclebound sadsack with frightening laser eyes. With Hiddles, I would hazard a guess they’d go for a slightly lighter, funnier version of the character. Not quite in the 70s-era swannee whistle / pigeon double-take style, but I would expect a move away from the taciturn Bond saying “I’m fine, OK? I’m fucking FINE, stop going on at me” that was all the rage back in 2006.

 

To be honest, they need to rethink their whole approach to Bond. The current thinking is that they draft in Oscar-winning directors and Oscar-winning screenwriters, couple them up the best director of photography in the world, and treat Bond as if it’s Twelve Years a Slave, when the characters don’t really stand up to that level of scrutiny and you get a film like Spectre which takes Blofeld’s plot to take over the world because he was a bit jealous of Bond as a teenager, and portrays it with the same level of gravitas that The World at War treated its discussion of the Nazi death camps.

 

The Bond people seem to have become obsessed with injecting a bit of class into the franchise, when Bond was always an oaf and a bore who scarfed down scrambled eggs on the regular while reading the Daily Mail. They need to get away from the idea that Bond needs to be treated like Shakespeare, and give it to a Martin Campbell type – someone with an unfussy style who’s going to keep things moving, and have a bare minimum of shots of Bond staring into the distance while thinking about death.

 

So true, perhaps a better Bond conversation would be focussing on what directors could be a good fit for the films, it seems like the producers are obsessed with creating grand trilogies and overarching themes that make less sense the more they reach for them. Both Skyfall and Spectre are so..staid, the careful symmetry of the framing in Skyfall makes for a more artful film but i think it hampers the pacing and sense of momentum, it's not suitable for an action film i don't think. After Skyfall it was obvious what kind of film Mendes would deliver next and he didn't do anything with Spectre that he didn't do with Skyfall. If that film was meant to tie the previous films together, a part of the marketing for the next one would have focussed on this being Mendes' third and last, supposed closure.. except no one but them cares.

 

After Edge of Tomorrow I'd like to see what Doug Liman would do, that film was so tightly put together, and his Bourne is still my favourite of the franchise, by a mile. It seems inevitable after Mendes they'll give it to Nolan eventually, if he wants it. Tom Hardy is pretty much my favourite actor, i think his presence alone in the background of a scene can elevate a film. Legend would be nothing without him, on one hand I wouldn't want him to be in bad Bond films that demand so much of his time he's not able to do do more interesting stuff (same goes for Fassbender), but on the other...Legend was almost bad and just given a lot of dialogue he's brilliant. Is there enough colourful dialogue for Bond in the films, would he be wasted in the role just doing action man stuff ? I find Hiddlestone a bit full of himself really, but I care less about his career and I prefer him to the rest suggested.

 

Don't know if Nolan would be a good fit if the sheer portentous tedium of The Dark Knight Rises is anything to go by with the whole thing feeling like one climax built on another. If maybe they give him just one film and he comes out with something as enjoyable as The Prestige. I don't know if James Bond counts as a character where a director would try to capture the iconography of him, i don't think modern filmmakers care as much about that as they did in the 80s. Like, that opening scene of Tim Burton's Batman was always so impactful to me as a kid, the grimey alleyway, the steam, the petty crooks on the roof, them hearing a noise, whispering about Batman the myth, the legend coming to get them, Batman hovering down, it's the perfect introduction*. (I wonder if modern film makers are a bit embarrassed by how hokey that scene might be. But Batman beating up a load of career criminals at a shipyard as in Batman Begins just doesn't have the same romanticism to it. It's the painting of the picture, Tim Burton's Batmans didn't have effective action but Nolan couldn't even do fist fights right. Just had that sense of epic scale that swept people along.)

 

*Likewise Catwoman skipping along the streets at night in her latex outfit, doing cartwheels through shopping malls, whipping cops, blowing up buildings, saying meow. Tim Burton took characters and set out whole portions of his films to present them in an as iconic way as possible. Can't remember anything of Nolan's catwoman, except..

 

Anne Hathaway's 'There's a storm coming My Wayne' in the trailer of The Dark Knight Rises sounds so epic, like the way the man in the remote cabin in the Spectre trailer saying 'You're a kite dancing in a hurricane Mr. Bond' sounds epic, and then it stands out a bit when watching the film as nonsensical in the context of the scene and in relation to how unconvincing and underwhelming the rest of the film is.

 

Or Robocop, thugs hassling a girl, and him stepping out of his car, his shadow cast large against a wall behind them, I miss punks, hoodlums, hooligans, stud jackets, those flip knives, downtrodden LA or Detroit, where crime is rife, and alleyways are scary, and there's steel bins, and newspapers everywhere. The modern Robocop neither cares to capture the iconography of Robocop in a scene like that, as what defines him, how to portray him visually, or evokes a city that is so deranged it needs a figure like that.

 

Goldeneye is my favourite Bond, but when I think of Bond I think of Connery at the poker table in Dr No, I guess because it's been used over and over in clips, and they just nailed it. Saying that, I liked the attempt of Casino Royale in theory, but not the reality. Don't know where I'm going with this.

 

 

Kind of amazing to me that in this new rllmuk if you write a comment out in a thread and don't post it, a month later you can click reply and be met with your unfinished words.

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That's insane! Surely for a fraction of that you could re-cast and give the role to someone who really wants the job. Is Craig so established, I wonder, that they're afraid to replace him? I can't imagine that to be the case.

 

Edit: The site they link to doesn't seem too reliable - 'a source said' 

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I like Craig in the role, but he is starting to look his age a little. As much as I like A View to a Kill (mainly for Walken's insane scenery chewage, and that hilarious bit in the mine where he laughs as he mows down his minions), I'd hate for Craig to look as geriatric as Roger Moore did in his final outing (although I think Moore was nearing sixty when he did that, so DC has a decade of breathing room at least).

 

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