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7 hours ago, Protocol Penguin said:

Licence to Kill would be the nearest to an actual flop. Was released during a competitive summer season where it struggled, and the franchise was grounded for six years afterwards.

 

Even then I think it was more to do with legal issues than the film under performing.

 

As soon as you go pre-1980 the box office figures become harder to come by and they can paint a different picture because of the way films were released back then. Earlier still you're in real guess work country.

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Just seen this on Facebook from the official 007 page...

 

'James Bond will return to US cinemas on November 8, 2019 with a traditional earlier release in the UK and the rest of the world. Bond 25 will be written by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade and produced by Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli. The film’s cast, director and distributor will be announced at a later date.'

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Might work the other way in that Craig will have had enough distance from the character to be happy to return (though I can't ever see him being happy). That said, by the time this comes to shoot Craig will have been away long enough that he might feel he's broken free of the character. Why go back again? 

 

Two and half years from release, you've got to be at least a year our from shooting (I seem to recall Skyfall pretty much started shooting a year to the day, from it's release date) - anything is possible in that time. Will they go the reboot and go with a younger Bond to try and attract a younger audience? 

 

Given the reactions to Dr Who, it'd be funny to see Gillian Anderson cast as Bond.

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I'll probably watch it on some streaming service sometime in 2020. Another Craig Bond isn't going to get me into a cinema.*

 

 

 

 

*Unless Nolan directs it and the Villan is some sort of maniacal F1 boss and the entire film is based around F1. 

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Love the idea of Craig being offed in the opening action sequence and the younger, female Mi6 assistant taking the helm for the rest of the film.

 

Of course, they'd never keep it secret and would be too terrified of a backlash to ever do something so creatively bold.

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Urgh over Craig again. Personally, I think this is all about the studio not being able to settle on another actor, rather than an insistance on using Craig again. I think the landscape has changed considerably since the last recast and 'younger' actors are unwilling to sign a large portion of their career away to playing one character. And all the attendant rigamarole that it entails personally and media wise. Would say Tom Hardy fancy doing the character for the next 6+ years? Sure he'd be offered lots of cash, but hey, he already gets lots of cash plus the freedom to do what the hell he likes.

 

Case in point would be the new Doctor Who casting. I can't imagine the actress they ended up going with being anywhere near their first choice. It was much more likely that she was the pick of the bunch who were willing to take on the role (shooting schedule, media commitments, upping sticks) and everything else that went with it.

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Not keen on Craig coming back. Overall, I think he's been my least favourite Bond. And he started out so well with Casino Royale. He's not entirely to blame... I definitely think they need to ditch Purvis and Wade, and bring in some fresh blood to write the scripts. And who knows, maybe a better screenplay might make Craig up his game again, instead of just look totally fucking bored for the whole film.

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The producers are so obsessed with linking the films to pretend there's some overarching storyline so they can sell that it's a great trilogy/quadrilogy and you must catch the final one to see how everything fits together. Which was never the original intention and in the hands of already dismal writers Spectre suffered from that. Others think the increased frequency of films in a franchise dilutes the quality, but I think the opposite; that more means less hype and expectation on each one, allowing more variety. 

 

I like Bond but I like the potential more. I'm not a fan of Nolan but I'd be great to see what he'd do if given freedom. Likewise Tom Hardy doing it, maybe just once or twice. They do something of their own and then others have can go. There's no way a Hardy/Nolan Bond film isn't a success. It being this fixed thing with a history that can be spun in various ways, hopefully fresh exciting ways. Just in terms of action, the series used to lead the way for stunts and gadgets and chase sequences, and showing you set pieces you'd not seen before. I read about the use of drones to film an Expendables 3 train sequence a few weeks ago, it's not even necessary to use CGI to achieve certain shots now. I love action films and don't think that modern ones are blowing minds like they could be. 

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I think Bond as a franchise is looking increasingly tired. Michael G Wilson and Barbara Broccoli need to step back from producing and get some fresh blood in. Purvis and Wade need to be binned as the writers too

 

I can't imaging Nolan would go anywhere near it with any of those still present.

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The producers need to decide what they want Bond to be. They've been drawn down the serious Bourne route too much. Kingsman (whilst excellent fun) is too knowing and self-aware. There is a middle ground between them which is where, I believe, Bond films should lie.

 

I think Spectre was an attempt at shifting back to a more fun tone, but it had a lot of problems (the story, the poorly-used characters, Craig not looking comfortable with the fun side, etc.). They tried to meld the story arc from the previous three films with some Bond tropes but did it poorly.

 

 

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I blame a lot of it on Mendez. Just take it back closer to Casino Royale and don't awkwardly force so many throwbacks and silly stuff in. Let Craig finish on a high with a decent director. Then go back to a 2 year release schedule and have a fresh face for 2021. They can go young but please, not another re-boot / origin, just have him be Bond as it should be.

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