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Is there any benefit to watching The Dark World before this? I've not seen it.

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3 hours ago, Tofu said:

 

Siege was dire

 

Hmm, come to think of it I was more thinking about the bit before Siege when

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Asgard got rebuilt in small town America, and all these Gods and mythical warriors ended up going to local town meetings and stuff. 

I remember that being pretty funny. 

 

Having said that... I agree that Siege wasn't a very good comic... but I do think they could take a few of the core ideas from Siege - e.g.

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Gods on earth seen as threat to Stark-led Avengers, who have been tricked by Loki to think they are planning to rule, and the Avengers then decide to mount an assault to force them from Earth

- and make a decent movie out of it. 

 

Who knows whether they will even

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get to earth? 

MCU only seem to be taking pinches of inspiration from the comics these days.  Based on the trailers I expected Thor: Ragnorak to be a lot more like World War Hulk, but they just used a handful of elements from that in the end, very successfully too.

 

3 hours ago, Tofu said:

would like to see Secret Invasion but doubt it due to Skrulls.

 

Pretty sure Captain Marvel is based on a Skrull invasion, think that's already been confirmed.

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4 hours ago, DogEyedBoy said:

 

That was not a scene in GotG Vol. 2, are you thinking of the leaked Infinity War trailer?

Wasn't it. Well I guess my 42yr old memory is finally going. Sorry. 

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8 hours ago, Tofu said:

Also like the nod to What we do in the Shadows too.

 

 

 

Can you spoil this for me? What was it? :D

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21 hours ago, Pob said:

Is there any benefit to watching The Dark World before this? I've not seen it.

 

There's one detail about what happens at the end of that film that is useful to know, but not essential really. It is that, at the end of The Dark World

 

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Loki gets rid of his father Odin and takes his place in disguise on the throne of Asgard, and Thor is none the wiser.

 

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On 27/10/2017 at 16:47, Pob said:

Is there any benefit to watching The Dark World before this? I've not seen it.

 

Thor: The Dark World is easily the worst MCU movie, I'd just read the plot on Wikipedia. A couple of things happen that would be useful to know for Thor: Ragnarok and there's one plot point that builds on the whole Infinity War plotline but they're not worth watching it for.

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On 26/10/2017 at 00:53, Sabreman said:

 

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I didn't spot it, but my friend was sure he saw a blue flash where she was right before the sword hit. We're thinking that Loki scooped her out of there for some reason (I mean, there's no way he's not got the Tesseract now).

 

 

On 26/10/2017 at 17:35, Chow said:

 

Re: Hela

 

 

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It was a green flash/mist if I remember correctly. Similar to how she first appeared. So I assume either she perished and faded away into light, like Odin. Or, she teleported herself back to where she was banished in order to regroup.

 

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Surely she *has* to be dead, otherwise Thor sacrificed his homeworld for nothing? I'm sure she was only contracted for one film, too.

 

Totally agree about the Tesseract. Loki's got to have it.

 

 

 

On 27/10/2017 at 07:42, Chow said:

 

So if those Infinity War spoilers are true then...

 

 

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No more Asgard at all, right? If the ship is destroyed, I'd imagine so is everybody on board the ship too? And didn't Odin say that Thor draws his power from Asgard?

 

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Yep, it was stated quite specifically that Thor - like Hela - drew his power from Asgard.

 

 

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This was everything the combination of director and material promised. What a lovely absurd nonsense. (Except it’s not nonsense at all, everything fits together so neatly.)

 

Cate Blanchett, my goodness. 

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1 hour ago, Tezcatlipoca said:

 

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Surely she *has* to be dead, otherwise Thor sacrificed his homeworld for nothing? I'm sure she was only contracted for one film, too.

 

Totally agree about the Tesseract. Loki's got to have it.

 

 

 

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Yep, it was stated quite specifically that Thor - like Hela - drew his power from Asgard.

 

 

 

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But Asgard isn't a place, it's the people. So as long as they dropped the Asgardians somewhere he can draw his power from them... 

 

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Well this was a nice surprise. I had been getting a bit tired of the superhero movies lately, and the trailer for this made it look like some ADHD nightmare of fast cuts, noise and bluster, so I was surprised by the good reviews ... and it turned out they were all spot-on, it's an absolutely superb bit of hokum. Easily my favourite Marvel film.

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Saw this yesterday and I can't remember a film that had me grinning from ear to ear throughout like this did.

 

Deserves every plaudit and success it's getting.

 

 

 

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The first half of this film is great, loved the YOURE MEETING THE GRAND MASTERAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH bit. Though he was literally just Space Jeff Goldblum which is fun, but very distracting and really makes the scripted lines stand out compared to the evident improv stuff.

 

The latter half was pretty boring -  I fell asleep when Bruce jumped out the plane. It was very odd listening to Bruce talk about the Hulk like he did, it felt like he knew how bizzare all this stuff was and all of a sudden didnt want a part of it. Felt quite alot like GotG, which is my least favourite Marvel movie series... the humour verged on being too low-brow, too family guy-esque, but i know thats popular and what makes GotG so loved but its not my cuppa tea

 

The whole thing felt like a Thor parody video, made by Marvel. I guess it felt like that little 'the office'-inspired short, which was very funny but too much for a feature length film, as the stakes never really felt high, despite all the things happening (i.e Hela, Sakaar, Thor's eye, Asgaard)

 

Someone said it was like a fun party with nice music, sounds about right. Was getting tired of it near the end.

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Yes, see it twice now and if anything it improves on the second viewing and so many great one liners.  One line I missed first time around during the Thor/Hulk fight was Thor getting exasperated.  Something like this:

 

'What are you doing?  I told everyone we were friends and you're making me look like a fool'.

 

And a great line at the end of the film:

 



As Asgard is being destroyed the rock alien is saying that they can rebuild and it can be a place for all aliens to live peacefully as the foundations are still in place.  Cut to a shot of the planet blowing up and a casual 'Oh, no the foundations are gone now'.  

 

Such a funny film and so pretty to look at.  Definitely top three marvel so far, the only criticism I have is that I think the middle section could be said to drag a touch.  If you could cut just a few minutes I think the film would flow a bit better.  We have a bit too much escaping from the planet and a bit too much Hela dealing with Asgard civilians.  The start and ending are nice and zippy and if you could squeeze 5-10 minutes out of the middle the middle would zip along just as nicely. 

 

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This was great. A nice reset from Branagh's emphasis on theatricality and scenery-chewing to something a lot more fun. Marvel's films have been most successful when they treat the premise itself as ridiculous (which, of course, it is) but take the characters and their motivations seriously, this followed that formula again. I don't really care about "Ragnarok" itself but I care about Banner feeling powerless to control the Hulk, or Thor starting to understand Loki's feelings of abandonment / betrayal -  it's much easier to make an audience to care about imaginary people than imaginary things or places, unsurprisingly. It wasn't just a bunch of (great) jokes with action scenes in between, it pretty much works any way you want to look at it. Looking forward to watching it again as I've already forgotten half those lines, there were so many.

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Hopkins' early appearance in Asgard was great fun, probably the first interesting scene he's had in the films.

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Saw this yesterday, really enjoyed it, so silly and easy going. But, and I might get my head bitten off for this, it is what it is, a tripleM (Marvel Machine Movie), I don't think it's that much different from many of the others, it was very GotG, so nothing new so to speak. However, while that would be a strong criticism for some, I actually don't mind. It hit all the right spots, it's exactly what I want from a tripleM ;) 

 

Also,

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how sick is that last battle scene on the bridge with Led Zeppelin, it made me squeal on the inside.

 

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47 minutes ago, Captain LeChuck said:

 

 

Didn't realise Korg was Taika Waititi. :D

 

Did you think it was just another Doug?

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Well now, this is utterly marvellous (pun half-intended). Really enjoyed it, and it is properly funny. Kind of wish the Hulk contender reveal had been held back but there is so much other fun stuff that it’s only a very minor quibble.

 

Would happily watch again, it’s hugely entertaining from start to finish and everyone looks like they’re having an absolute whale of a time.

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4 hours ago, Illyria said:

But, and I might get my head bitten off for this, it is what it is, a tripleM (Marvel Machine Movie), I don't think it's that much different from many of the others, it was very GotG, so nothing new so to speak.

 

GotG was celebrated for breaking out of the Marvel "house style" and offering something different. All the Marvel films based predominantly off earth have had this sort of tone now though - it's success may have just created an alternative template for them to work from?

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I was worried that I was kind of burning out on Marvel movies but this was just fun and funny and the goofy colourful cosmic stuff was great. It really draws on a lot of the charismatic ridiculousness of superhero comic books. Things still end up feeling a bit formulaic, and the fight scenes end up kind of inconsequential, saved mainly by the all too brief epic side-on slow-mo stuff.

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1 hour ago, Liamness said:

 

GotG was celebrated for breaking out of the Marvel "house style" and offering something different. 

It was but I disagree that it did the thing that it was credited for. The Marvel system had already established a witty, slightly irreverent tone, particularly The Avengers which had jokes galore. And Thor had shown that they could do inter-galactic stuff with ease. GotGwas basically the Avengers again but completely in space and with a pop soundtrack front-and-centre.

 

I think at this point there are, very broadly speaking, two types of Marvel movie.

 

The first is the one where they introduce a concept for the film to be about, they explore that for a bit and then drop it all so that everything can go boom in the final third. For example the Iron Man, Captain America, Ant Man, Deadpool and the first two Thor films.

 

The second is where they have a bunch of people who don't like each other and fight a lot but end up having to work together to overcome a threat. ie Guardians 1 & 2, and The Avengers 1 & 2

 

Thor: Ragnarok fit's perfectly into the second category and is about as by-the-numbers a Marvel movie as you can get at this point. Thankfully, I think it has the most competently put together plot of any Marvel film so far. Tab A goes into slot B, every plant is paid off and all the character motivations are clear, coherent and believable. The humour is amazingly well done and I can't think of another Marvel movie that is so clearly influenced by it's director.

 

I absolutely bloody loved it but I still felt a bit let down by the end. Marvel movies have to end on big, cartoon fight scenes where everything blows up, regardless of how much sense that makes to the plot. I'm so bored of that now that even when it's done well and does fit in with the plot I can't help but wish they'd do an ending that's a little bit smaller, more personal. Where you care about a little thing that might happen rather than THE END OF EVERYTHING that won't ever, ever happen.

 

So, for me, best Marvel film so far but slightly spoiled by the fact that the Marvel style is so predictable.

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Kelvin Feige has revealed what the post credit scene shows:

 

 

That yep, that is Thanos's ship! 

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Caught this last night, was a really really funny film! The story made sense, it flew along at a fair old pace and Korg had some killer lines.

 

Probably my favourite Marvel film so far.

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On 02/11/2017 at 23:00, DukeOfEarlsfield said:

 

 

I absolutely bloody loved it but I still felt a bit let down by the end. Marvel movies have to end on big, cartoon fight scenes where everything blows up, regardless of how much sense that makes to the plot. I'm so bored of that now that even when it's done well and does fit in with the plot I can't help but wish they'd do an ending that's a little bit smaller, more personal. Where you care about a little thing that might happen rather than THE END OF EVERYTHING that won't ever, ever happen.

 

So, for me, best Marvel film so far but slightly spoiled by the fact that the Marvel style is so predictable.

 

They really need to stop with the glowing light in the sky, evil minions made of dust endings.

 

I liked that Civil War ended with there people fighting in a bunker.

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To be fair, the evil minions were centuries old reanimated zombies, and it’s not like they really won as Asgard was destroyed so the glowing light couldn’t really be avoided.

 

Anyway, what a wonderful film, it will be interesting to see if it stands up to repeat viewing but so far, I think this beats GOTG2.

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