The Great British Bake Off 2016

[JohnnyNolan]

Massive blow to the show losing them. They've been the perfect hosts for this (no matter mikes irrational hatred) with both the contestants and the judges. 

[ryodi]

Hopefully C4 will get Kevin McCloud in to replace them. His architecture descriptions will transition to cakes quite easily I think.

[Nespresso]

Just seen ep 2. That gingerbread challenge was a bit crazy! 

[Rev]

15 hours ago, JohnnyNolan said:

Massive blow to the show losing them. They've been the perfect hosts for this (no matter mikes irrational hatred) with both the contestants and the judges. 

 

The idea of the new hosts who came in for a fat pay cheque after the loved former hosts turned it down will be welcomed when going for the Conciliatory Hug at the end of the episode seems a bit far-fetched.

[McCoy]

You'd think that the BBC should just get the hosts and the judges to front a new baking show.  The BBC Baking Show or some such nonsense.

 

Yes, clearly a massive rip off but you can hardly copyright the the mere concept of a baking/cooking contest any more than the BBC can prevent Clarkson and co making a show about cars. 

 

Apart from the name and the exact specific format I am not sure what Channel 4 have actually paid for. Seems crazy to splash out £25m a year on an easy to copy format without first having got the talent to sign deals. Surely that would have been the most important part of any deal.  If they lose the judges and the BBC create a similar show in house then it is game over really. 

[JohnC]

12 minutes ago, Charles said:

You'd think that the BBC should just get the hosts and the judges to front a new baking show.  The BBC Baking Show or some such nonsense.

 

Yes, clearly a massive rip off but you can hardly copyright the the mere concept of a baking/cooking contest any more than the BBC can prevent Clarkson and co making a show about cars. 

 

Apart from the name and the exact specific format I am not sure what Channel 4 have actually paid for. Seems crazy to splash out £25m a year on an easy to copy format without first having got the talent to sign deals. Surely that would have been the most important part of any deal.  If they lose the judges and the BBC create a similar show in house then it is game over really. 

Love Productions already threatened to sue BBC twice over other shows they felt were too similar to their own and had nothing to do with baking. I'm not sure they'd settle if they did a direct baking competitor.

[McCoy]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Love Productions already threatened to sue BBC twice over other shows they felt were too similar to their own and had nothing to do with baking. I'm not sure they'd settle if they did a direct baking competitor.

Well yes, but this is the key point surely:

 

This time, the BBC allegedly hired an official mediation service to settle the claim. Execs apparently suggested Bake Off was already similar to BBC One's MasterChef and the case was dismissed with no settlement reached.

 

So yeah, they can get their panties in a twist all they like but Bake off was not the first cooking competition show and nor will it be the last. 

[Darren]

I don't want to come across all tinfoil hat but here's my understanding of how this has unfolded:

 

1. Rupert Murdoch buys a majority stake in Love Productions, makers of GBBO.

 

2. Love Productions make the BBC 'an offer they can't accept', i.e. that future series of GBBO will only be on the BBC if Love get the rights to any similar BBC "amateur contest" shows. The BBC obviously reject this and so lose the right to show GBBO.

 

- End of Part 1 - already Murdoch has stripped his hated nemesis the BBC of its biggest prime-time show

 

3. Love do a 3-year, £75M deal with Channel 4 to show GBBO, but not including the presenters.

 

4. Mel & Sue confirm they will not be going to Channel 4 with the show.

 

- End of Part 2 - now Murdoch has taken £75M from Channel 4 for the hire of a big tent and some baking trays

 

5. The Sun lambasts Channel 4 for "stealing" GBBO and says it has "shredded its own thin case for remaining a publicly-owned broadcaster." The full screed is reproduced below so you don't have to soil yourself visiting their site, like I just had to:

 

 

 

THE SUN SAYS It’s crummy, C4

It calls itself a public service but it acts like a commercial broadcaster

BY THE SUN  14th September 2016, 4:02 am

BY stealing Bake Off, Channel 4 has wrecked Britain’s biggest show and ­shredded its own thin case for remaining a publicly-owned broadcaster.

It has always fended off privatisation demands by trumpeting its record of innovation and commitment to public service programming.

Yet now it swoops in — a predator armed with £75million — to nick the BBC’s best asset.

How very innovative.

What a public service too, to swipe a programme loved by millions . . . ­perhaps the only BBC show some watch in return for the compulsory licence fee.

And to see off the much-loved presenters at the same time! Nice work, C4.

The BBC was right to refuse to bid more than £15million of public money per series. Sanity had to prevail.

But ex-Beeb chief Lord Grade understates it when he says Channel 4 has shot itself in the foot. It plainly wants to compete aggressively like a commercial broadcaster — so the Government might as well now flog it to a real one.

The estimated £1billion proceeds will be a tidy sum for the Treasury. And we could finally see the back of the sanctimonious leftie propaganda it calls news.

That’ll be the icing on the cake.
 

 

 

- The End - for now! - and it's been another good day for Rupert, who has weakened one competitor, trousered £millions from another, and used the outcome as a stick to beat them both with

 

 

 

 

 

[SeanR]

Quote

­perhaps the only BBC show some watch in return for the compulsory licence fee.

 

stay classy, news international...

[PK]

1 hour ago, Darren said:

I don't want to come across all tinfoil hat but here's my understanding of how this has unfolded:

 

1. Rupert Murdoch buys a majority stake in Love Productions, makers of GBBO.

 

2. Love Productions make the BBC 'an offer they can't accept', i.e. that future series of GBBO will only be on the BBC if Love get the rights to any similar BBC "amateur contest" shows. The BBC obviously reject this and so lose the right to show GBBO.

 

- End of Part 1 - already Murdoch has stripped his hated nemesis the BBC of its biggest prime-time show

 

3. Love do a 3-year, £75M deal with Channel 4 to show GBBO, but not including the presenters.

 

4. Mel & Sue confirm they will not be going to Channel 4 with the show.

 

- End of Part 2 - now Murdoch has taken £75M from Channel 4 for the hire of a big tent and some baking trays

 

5. The Sun lambasts Channel 4 for "stealing" GBBO and says it has "shredded its own thin case for remaining a publicly-owned broadcaster." The full screed is reproduced below so you don't have to soil yourself visiting their site, like I just had to:

 

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THE SUN SAYS It’s crummy, C4

It calls itself a public service but it acts like a commercial broadcaster

BY THE SUN  14th September 2016, 4:02 am

BY stealing Bake Off, Channel 4 has wrecked Britain’s biggest show and ­shredded its own thin case for remaining a publicly-owned broadcaster.

It has always fended off privatisation demands by trumpeting its record of innovation and commitment to public service programming.

Yet now it swoops in — a predator armed with £75million — to nick the BBC’s best asset.

How very innovative.

What a public service too, to swipe a programme loved by millions . . . ­perhaps the only BBC show some watch in return for the compulsory licence fee.

And to see off the much-loved presenters at the same time! Nice work, C4.

The BBC was right to refuse to bid more than £15million of public money per series. Sanity had to prevail.

But ex-Beeb chief Lord Grade understates it when he says Channel 4 has shot itself in the foot. It plainly wants to compete aggressively like a commercial broadcaster — so the Government might as well now flog it to a real one.

The estimated £1billion proceeds will be a tidy sum for the Treasury. And we could finally see the back of the sanctimonious leftie propaganda it calls news.

That’ll be the icing on the cake.
 

 

 

- The End - for now! - and it's been another good day for Rupert, who has weakened one competitor, trousered £millions from another, and used the outcome as a stick to beat them both with

 

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I'm fully on board with this theory and have stolen it for Facebook.  What else do I need to do to join your movement to fight against this sort of thing?

[RFT]

One interesting thing I've learned about this sort of thing this morning (thanks to legal commentator David Allen Green taking a break from covering the Brexit shambles) is that "format rights" for TV shows don't actually exist in law- they're too woolly to be covered by copyright in the same way a script does- but the broadcasting industry essentially pretends that they do. Presumably because broadcasters and production companies prefer a situation where they can buy and sell "format rights" to and from each other to the alternative where they can freely take what they like from others but also be freely taken from.

 

 

 

 

[Roomservice]

4 hours ago, Darren said:

I don't want to come across all tinfoil hat but here's my understanding of how this has unfolded:

 

1. Rupert Murdoch buys a majority stake in Love Productions, makers of GBBO.

 

2. Love Productions make the BBC 'an offer they can't accept', i.e. that future series of GBBO will only be on the BBC if Love get the rights to any similar BBC "amateur contest" shows. The BBC obviously reject this and so lose the right to show GBBO.

 

- End of Part 1 - already Murdoch has stripped his hated nemesis the BBC of its biggest prime-time show

 

3. Love do a 3-year, £75M deal with Channel 4 to show GBBO, but not including the presenters.

 

4. Mel & Sue confirm they will not be going to Channel 4 with the show.

 

- End of Part 2 - now Murdoch has taken £75M from Channel 4 for the hire of a big tent and some baking trays

 

5. The Sun lambasts Channel 4 for "stealing" GBBO and says it has "shredded its own thin case for remaining a publicly-owned broadcaster." The full screed is reproduced below so you don't have to soil yourself visiting their site, like I just had to:

 

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THE SUN SAYS It’s crummy, C4

It calls itself a public service but it acts like a commercial broadcaster

BY THE SUN  14th September 2016, 4:02 am

BY stealing Bake Off, Channel 4 has wrecked Britain’s biggest show and ­shredded its own thin case for remaining a publicly-owned broadcaster.

It has always fended off privatisation demands by trumpeting its record of innovation and commitment to public service programming.

Yet now it swoops in — a predator armed with £75million — to nick the BBC’s best asset.

How very innovative.

What a public service too, to swipe a programme loved by millions . . . ­perhaps the only BBC show some watch in return for the compulsory licence fee.

And to see off the much-loved presenters at the same time! Nice work, C4.

The BBC was right to refuse to bid more than £15million of public money per series. Sanity had to prevail.

But ex-Beeb chief Lord Grade understates it when he says Channel 4 has shot itself in the foot. It plainly wants to compete aggressively like a commercial broadcaster — so the Government might as well now flog it to a real one.

The estimated £1billion proceeds will be a tidy sum for the Treasury. And we could finally see the back of the sanctimonious leftie propaganda it calls news.

That’ll be the icing on the cake.
 

 

 

- The End - for now! - and it's been another good day for Rupert, who has weakened one competitor, trousered £millions from another, and used the outcome as a stick to beat them both with

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

Tim Fenton over at Zelo Street agrees with you.

 

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/gbbo-murdoch-screws-bbc-c4.html

[ryodi]

That theory sounds about right and I expect May to start pushing for C4 privatisation before the end of the year.

[McCoy]

Of interest, and not widely reported as far as I can see, is that there will be no regular series of Bake Off next year.

 

BBC have a one year hold back clause which presents C4 from screening a new series until 2018.

 

So an enforced year off and a loss of on screen talent.  It is basically just Top Gear all over again although even that didn't have to wait two years between series. 

 

All the while BBC could just launch a different spin on baking with the on screen talent next year and dare the production company to try to sue. I'm not sure what C4 were smoking when they made this deal but it had better been mighty good.  I simply can't believe that they agreed to a deal without cast iron contracts with the talent and without removing the hold back clause.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/great-british-bake-off-2016-no-more-until-2018-move-to-channel-4-bbc-mary-berry-paul-hollywood-sue-a7294566.html

[mirodo]

Interesting. Earlier suggestions were than the BBC wouldn't enforce the clause.

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-09-13/bbc-set-to-allow-channel-4-to-show-full-series-of-the-great-british-bake-off-in-2017

[McCoy]

23 minutes ago, mirodo said:

Interesting. Earlier suggestions were than the BBC wouldn't enforce the clause.

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-09-13/bbc-set-to-allow-channel-4-to-show-full-series-of-the-great-british-bake-off-in-2017

 

Interesting. We shall see.  It really is a strange situation.  The closest parable is Amazon buying the Top Gear franchise from BBC for a huge amount of money but failing to secure the services of Clarkson, May and Hammond to host it.  In the case of Top Gear, it is almost the inverse of Bake Off with Amazon declaring that the hosting talent was the real value behind the show rather than the existing format of Top Gear itself. Given that it seems relatively easy for Clarkson and co to have created a car show in the same vain of Top Gear you'd have to say that the Amazon approach is the most sensible. Having said that, ITV poaching Chiles and his partner from the BBC to present a breakfast show instead of a prime time show indicates that the value of stars only really exists assuming you are poaching them to effectively do the same show, minus the brand name, that they did before. 

[Stig]

Obligatory Selasi photo 

[mirodo]

I can only assume that Tom must have some serious dirt on Paul and Mary after surviving that. 

[Pete]

More than half on them fucked up. It's disappointing.i think I could have got this far just by not taking any risks and being competent. I mean Val, I keep saying it but Jesus she's average at best.

[wev]

At least the BBC still has the Great British Sewing Bee with Patrick Grant! 

[JohnnyNolan]

Another episode with several people struggling. I think the decision to let Kate go was right though, as she had a shocker from start to finish. I think Paul got it spot on with his comment she isn't the worst baker in that group, but she had the worst day out of them.

[wullie]

Kate had the vacant smile of a psychopath, and her churros haunt me

 

 

[gizmo1990]

Shame none of the judges have come out with their stances regarding the move, especially Berry. Somehow she strikes me as someone you'd expect to stand by the BBC. Bad form I say!

 

[JohnC]

Apparently her husband said something that implies she's leaving. 

[BitterToad]

I was dead against the move but do quite like the idea of Paul Hollywood and Gordon Ramsey just calling people cunts in a big tent for 12 weeks a year. 

[DC Lemon]

For all their struggles this week, they managed to make me come away from the episode craving Yorkshire puddings. Well, Yorkshire pancake guy excepted.

 

As for the future, I'm partial to a bit of Come Dine With Me so the move to C4 doesn't have to be the end. The dream team of Gordon Ramsay and Nigella Lawson would take the put downs and smut to a new level and the show couldn't really fail with them. Might be a bit expensive, though...

 

Emma Willis and Rachel Riley as the new Mel and Sue. Because of their presenting skills. Totally because of that.

[angel]

41 minutes ago, BitterToad said:

I was dead against the move but do quite like the idea of Paul Hollywood and Gordon Ramsey just calling people cunts in a big tent for 12 weeks a year. 

 

give it a few years and you'll get that on Big Brother.

[Charliemouse]

57 minutes ago, DC07 said:

For all their struggles this week, they managed to make me come away from the episode craving Yorkshire puddings. Well, Yorkshire pancake guy excepted.

 

As for the future, I'm partial to a bit of Come Dine With Me so the move to C4 doesn't have to be the end. The dream team of Gordon Ramsay and Nigella Lawson would take the put downs and smut to a new level and the show couldn't really fail with them. Might be a bit expensive, though...

 

Emma Willis and Rachel Riley as the new Mel and Sue. Because of their presenting skills. Totally because of that.

Nigella has already made the move back to the BBC recently so I would count her out

 

I think the only chef who has made the move away from the BBC and not come crawling back is Jamie Olivier, Michael Roux Jnr publicly left a couple of years back but he was soon back as the BBC surely must produce around 80% of all the cooking and food shows on the telly.

[new member]

I feel like a dick asking for spoilers in a bake off thread but can we please use them when naming who has left or won technicals for example? I will see it tonight on Iplayer but it's a bit spoiled knowing who is leaving.

Normally it's probably OK but due to the current bake off fuss I came in here to see if there was any info on the move.

Sorry for being a killjoy. Carry on

[angel]

Bake him away, toys.