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I know there are at least a few posters on here who have read Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicles "trilogy". It was announced quite a while back that his works would be adapted for TV and into movies, possibly other media (games, stage etc).

 

Now it's been announced that Lin-Manuel Miranda will take up the mantle of creative producer on the movie and tv adaptations, with the option to create a stage adaptation as well some time in the future.

 

I'm quite excited for this :D although I think I'll have to reread the books, I realized the other day that I've forgotten a lot of what happens.

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I've read the first two and yeah, they're decent, but they're essentially like harry potter in that an underprivileged boy goes to a magical school and turns out to be a chosen one of sorts, and K'voth is very much a typical Mary Sue character. What's the term for when an author uses a character that basically has an answer for everything, can overcome any obstacle with relative ease etc? Author insert? Because K'voth is basically that. 

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Looking forward to the bit where he fucks an immortal sex goddess and she declares it best shag she's ever had in all her millennia and then goes to a village of warrior women who distrust men and wins them all over with the awesome power of his dick.

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No, third book is not out, and not likely to be out any time soon (even though he said they were all written when he released the first book).  Completely agree on second book being awful.  Rothfuss is too busy with his charity to complete the series I think.

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10 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:

Oh man, I'd forgotten about his amazing sex-prowess as a 15 year old virgin that stunned the goddess of sex :lol:

 

Fucking dreadful. 

Surely you mean "unintentionally amazing in what it reveals about the author's subconscious fantasies"? It's a teenage boy's ultimate power fantasy but written for adults without a trace of self awareness. It's glorious. I could read it over and over again. I don't think I'm enjoying it in the way Rothfuss intends though.

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Bah, didn't like the first one at all and by all accounts it is far better than the second. The ridiculous purple prose was all that kept my attention really.  People on the Internet REALLY love them though. 

 

I can think of a few fantasy novels/series that would be far better adapted to TV than this. 

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:lol: one of my friends is a huge fan of the books, and when I suggested that I'm hoping the adaptation will be better than the books and improve what bothered me about them, she got very defensive and didn't want to discuss them with me anymore.

 

Well, at least I have you guys.

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On 30 November 2016 at 16:20, Illyria said:

At this point I doubt we'll ever read book 3. Isn't he still rewriting book 2 again and again in spite of it already having been published? What I heard anyway.

 

Rewriting book 3 I believe, even though the entire trilogy was already written when he turned in Name of the Wind.

 

Lord knows book 2 needs a rewrite mind and a serious edit.

 

That said I do love Name of the Wind, its beautifully written and charming and when The Wise Man's Fear is not meandering with elvish sex goddesses it has its moments.  This has potential in the same way that GoT has ruthlessly pruned Martin's excesses with the recent seasons.

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Apparently Showtime has passed on this: https://www.tor.com/2019/09/16/showtime-is-no-longer-developing-the-kingkiller-chronicle-tv-show/

 

You'd assume with Miranda backing it some streaming platform will pick it up. 

 

Read the books recently, this seems to be the only thread for duscussion. As annoying as Kvothe being a bit too good at a few too many things is, I think people are maybe a little too hard here. Kvothe, despite repeated assertions he's telling the truth, is an unreliable narrator. And we're not yet sure what sting will be in book 3.

 

He also has a key overriding flaw; most of the tension I had when reading was derived from the sense of foreboding that he was going to do something really fucking stupid, probably out of anger. I think that was probably deliberate on the part of the author. 

 

I think the thing that irritated me most that he had to keep finding ways to make him poor despite having about five different ways of making a lot of money. Preferred the Brendan Sanderson's books on my recent mini fantasy binge, but will definitely read the third one if it ever turns up. 

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Oh my God, I'm so happy to find this thread. After the second book, I saw all the 5/5s and 10/10s and thought I was the only one who thought it was horrendously overrated. The whole nerd lovemaking forest section is one of the worst things that's ever happened, and it lasts about 300 pages. I did really like Bast, though.

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Book one was awesome and held so much promise. My memory of book two is it starting well but then going downhill from that forest section onwards. I still retained hope that by the end of the second book we might be out of the mire and the third book would be more like the first and wrap up the trilogy really well. Unfortunately the years since have wiped that youthful hope away, and the seeming inability of the author to finish working on the third book suggests he doesn't know how end it either.

 

It's not surprising that this is getting dropped, and not just for the decreasing quality of the story. Everyone's commented on the noticeable drop in GoT's storytelling once they ran out of books to follow. I imagine there's a hesitancy amongst studios to bet big on other unfinished works right now.

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The unreliable narrator excuse for the horrible writing really doesn't cut the mustard for me. For starters the premise is supposed to be that this is some legendary Gandalf like figure whose adventures have embellished and amplified over the years, but we're getting the inside scoop on the real story. Surely we should be getting fun juxtapositions of how the ballads present things versus how things actually went down. He kind of does a half arsed version of that with dragon stuff at the end of the first book, but apart from that it's all the stories say they you're the best sorcerer/musician/academic/shagger and then he proceeds to tell a version that shows that he's a great sorcerer/musician/academic/shagger. Even if there's some mind blowing reveal at the very end, does that make up for doorstop sized books of tedious self-insert bragging? Go read the Book of the New Sun if you want to see an unreliable narrator in a fantasy setting done with some skill.

 

Using Occam's Razor, personally I think it's just more likely that the guy who wrote this...

 

Quote

You know what it’s [The Hobbit movie] going to be like? It’s going to be like wandering onto an internet porn site and seeing a video of a girl I had a crush on in high school. You probably knew someone like her. The smart girl. The shy girl. The one who wore glasses and was a little socially awkward. The one who screwed up the curve in chemistry so you got an A- instead of an A.


She was a geek girl before anybody knew what a geek girl was. And that was kinda awesome, because you were a geek boy before being a geek was culturally acceptable.

You liked her because she was funny. And she was smart. And you could actually talk to her. And she read books.

And sure, she was girl-shaped, and that was cool. And she was cute, in an understated, freckly way. And sometimes you’d stare at her breasts when you were supposed to be paying attention in biology. But you were 16. You stared at everyone’s breasts back then.

And yeah, you had some fantasies about her, because, again, you were 16. But they were fairly modest fantasies about making out in the back of a car. Maybe you’d get to second base. Maybe you could steal third if you were lucky.

And maybe, just maybe, something delightful and terrifying might  happen. And yeah, it would probably be awkward and fumbling at times, but that’s okay because she’d be doing half the fumbling too. Because the only experience either one of you had was from books. And afterwards, if you make a Star Wars joke, you know she’ll get it, and she’ll laugh…. 

That’s the girl you fell in love with in high school. You didn’t have a crush on her because she was some simmering pool of molten sex. You loved her because she was subtle and sweet and smart and special.

So you stroll onto this porn site, and there she is. Except now she’s wearing a thong and a black leather halter top. She’s wearing fuck-me red lipstick and a lot of dark eye makeup. Her breasts are amazing now, proud and perfectly round.

Someone’s taught her to dance, and she does it well. She’s flexible and tan. She has a flat midriff and walks like a high-class Vegas stripper. Her eyes are dark and smouldering. She has a riding crop, and she likes to be tied up, and her too-red mouth forms a perfect circle as she sighs and moans, and tosses her head in a performance designed to win any number of academy awards….

And what’s the problem with this? Well… in some ways, nothing. What you’ve found is perfectly good porn. Maybe even great porn.

But in other ways the problem is blindingly obvious. This girl has nothing in common with your high-school crush except for her social security number. Everything you loved about her is gone.

We loved the sweet, shy, freckly girl. We still remember her name, and after all these years she lives close to our heart. Seeing her in lipstick and stiletto heels dancing on a pole is like watching Winnie the Pooh do heroin and then glass someone in a bar fight.

It just isn’t something that I look forward to seeing….

 

...is just a bit of a creepy shitty writer.

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Weird that this thread should pop up as I got both books on Auidable and I'm currently 2/3rds of the way through book 2. I really enjoyed book 1 and I'm not hating book 2 like many of you seem to, its keeping me interested enough to want to keep going back to. Maybe it being told to me with a bit of acting by the reader makes it easier. It's been pretty good to listen to whilst I decorate though. The only thing I've disliked is Kvoth telling the story of someone telling a story. So...many...stories.

 

Whats interesting about this thread popping us is that I was just thinking about the TV show of it tonight and what was happening with it. It was the news of it being picked up for TV a couple years back that made me pick them up on audiobook in the first place. I've only just got round to listening though.

 

Oh and I've literally just got to the super shagger moment :seanr:

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Maybe I'm being charitable, but my reading of that was it was more about magical power. Felurian seemed more like a force of nature, her magic based on instinct; the initial encounter at least more about Kvothe's innate potential. I found the next thing he picked up more annoying. 

 

Seems like there's way too much left to happen in one more  ook though, and I'll not be surprised if there's some annoying twist that cuts out half the story. 

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