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MrPogo

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11 minutes ago, Dudley said:

Lewis Hamilton not even being the top motor racer in Sports Personality amuses me.

 

I've never actually heard of the particular brand of bike racing that bloke does! Someone at work heavily into his motorbikes is always going on about Moto GP and British Superbikes, but I didn't realise there was a World Superbikes before now!

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12 hours ago, MrPogo said:

 

I've never actually heard of the particular brand of bike racing that bloke does! Someone at work heavily into his motorbikes is always going on about Moto GP and British Superbikes, but I didn't realise there was a World Superbikes before now!

 

Odd, WSB was fairly big in the Nineties, mostly due to Carl Fogarty and the Rea's are quite popular in motorcycle racing circles

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I've heard of Carl Fogarty - him and Valentino Rossi are the only two motorbike racers I'd be able to name - but pay no attention to any of it, just pick up some of what the one bloke at work mentions! I guess MotoGP is the F1 equivalent and British Superbikes is the one he can go and watch or something, so they get all the attention. Probably.

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17 minutes ago, MrPogo said:

I guess MotoGP is the F1 equivalent and British Superbikes is the one he can go and watch or something, so they get all the attention. Probably.

 

Pretty much.  Moto GP bikes are full racing prototypes so equivalent to F1.  Superbikes (both world and British) are heavily modified versions of bikes you can buy for the road.

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I used to really enjoy WSB when it was on the BBC, I preferred it at the time to Moto GP, but was great to be able to watch both. Then it left the BBC ended up as highlights on CH4 but I think it was in the early Saturday morning slot before you wake up so I stopped following it. Had to search yesterday to see how you can actually watch it now, shame it seems to have vanished.

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Would the loss of Ferrari really be the end of F1 though? Personally I wouldn't care if they left when we have the possibilty of a Mercedes Renault battle in the next few years and having the whining Ferrari gone would be no big hardship. I expect the marketing money they will take with means that Liberty will eventually fold and give them what they want though.

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Dudley

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9 hours ago, ryodi said:

Would the loss of Ferrari really be the end of F1 though? Personally I wouldn't care if they left when we have the possibilty of a Mercedes Renault battle in the next few years and having the whining Ferrari gone would be no big hardship. I expect the marketing money they will take with means that Liberty will eventually fold and give them what they want though.

 

They'd be forgotten in 5 years just like Mercedes were the first time.  Or Brabham. Or Lotus. Or Maserati. Or Alfa Romeo. Or Auto Union.

 

Yes they're the biggest name in F1, and Italy's audience would go down but worldwide? I'm not sure many people would be thinking about it once the next season begins.

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Let's put this one to bed. F1 would continue without them. It wouldn't be the same, but that could be a good thing. For a start, Ferrari is the major roadblock to most reforms F1 needs, such as a fairer distribution of funds. 

 

They employ anywhere from 500 to 1000 people on multi-year contracts that would be very expensive to get rid of. They get a VERY cushty bung from FOM. They have invested a huge amount of money into state of the art facilities. The cachet of their brand and product comes from it's connection to F1. They've just done the deal with Sauber. The only financially viable options for exiting would involve moving into another sport like WEC (which is not in a fit state right now) or selling the team. The team is based right where they make the road cars. It's all one facility, selling it to another brand is a non-starter. I suppose Marchionne could rebrand the team as Alfa as a protest for a year or two but why would he do that? Headlines? 

 

Untwining Ferrari from F1 would be complex and difficult for them. It would be F1's version of Brexit. Sergio doesn't have a hand. He only has the same playbook that Todt and Luca used again and again.

 

TLDR: IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.* :blah: 

 

*Cut to next Tuesday: Ferrari shock F1 world with F1 pull out.

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MrPogo

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My loyalty and support is far more weighted to individual drivers rather than teams, so although I have a bit of a soft spot for some (like McLaren and Williams) there are none I'd majorly miss. Ferrari have a bit of a unique spot as an almost pantomime villain sort of team for me, but that was built up during their period of dominance and greatly diminished now they're not always winning everything. Red Bull took on the role for a few years, then in the Hamilton v Rosberg era Mercedes were the heroes and villains at the same time. Ferrari are currently in the spot again due to Vettel being the main contender last season, but the impact is far less than it was. Threatening to pull out when they're not winning anything has relatively little impact.

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Ferrari can do one. The amount of stuff they try to get away with behind the scenes in terms of walking a very fine legal line with stuff on their car, the tantrums they throw if things go wrong, the fact that they get a premium payment which means that between 2014 and 2016 they earned more in revenue than Mercedes despite doing a terrible job by comparison... yeah.

 

They are an iconic manufacturer for sure and their loss would impact to some degree, but F1 would survive without them. Marchionne's timing of his latest rant is rather strange, too. If you really don't need F1 at all and could happily walk away from it, why have you just greenlit the rebranding/financing of Sauber to Alfa Romeo? Bit odd that the FIAT group saw enough value in the sport to finance that, but also feels they can pull their main brand out of it altogether.

 

Marchionne is trying to build himself a reputation of a new Enzo, i.e. some kind of mythical godfather-esque character who demands respect. It might be working in that it's creating an awful, almost unbearable working atmosphere for members of his team, but outside of that it's falling on deaf ears.

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Might as well start calling Ferrari Royston Vasey, they'll never leave.

 

There's loads of potential for team Royston to up their involvement in the WEC, might just have to wait a couple of years for them to sort out the LMP1 rules when that class becomes more sportscar prototypes than stupidly expensive LMP1 hybrids.

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I got Jenson's book too.

 

Jackie Stewart's book is great. Until he retires and then it becomes and advertisement for the various companies he endorses,I think there's a whole chapter in there dedicated to the door handle on the Ford Focus.

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MrPogo

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Buttons book is £1.49 in the Kindle daily deal (I also got it for Christmas though!)

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07236PW3K/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_2_w?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-2&pf_rd_r=6DB610JA3Z10JQBDVN5V&pf_rd_r=6DB610JA3Z10JQBDVN5V&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=991622e2-0ef1-4034-8854-f09fc16b6c2d&pf_rd_p=991622e2-0ef1-4034-8854-f09fc16b6c2d&pf_rd_i=5400977031

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3 hours ago, MrPogo said:

Buttons book is £1.49 in the Kindle daily deal (I also got it for Christmas though!)

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07236PW3K/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_2_w?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-2&pf_rd_r=6DB610JA3Z10JQBDVN5V&pf_rd_r=6DB610JA3Z10JQBDVN5V&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=991622e2-0ef1-4034-8854-f09fc16b6c2d&pf_rd_p=991622e2-0ef1-4034-8854-f09fc16b6c2d&pf_rd_i=5400977031

 

Just came to post that. It's a good book, worth full price, people should snap it up at 1.50

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Just when you think the halo couldn't get any worse... 

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/133823/halo-could-feature-digital-ticker-display

 

F1 is currently analysing a series of "experimental solutions" to maximise the extra space created by the halo's introduction.

 

One of those solutions is a scrolling digital ticker, like the LED versions which are used to display the latest stocks and share prices.

 

:doh:

 

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