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Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown


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2 hours ago, Salsa Party Animal said:

I ordered PS4 version :) and it will be first flight sim games I had since  MIG-29 "Fulcrum" or TFX on Amiga. 

 

 

I don't see these games as Sims really. Been playing since Ace Combat on the PSOne.

 

I love them all i guess. -Think of them more like an advanced version of After Burner or G-Loc if you've played them  Mr Ledge?

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8 minutes ago, amc said:

I'm waiting until I build up my VR legs a lot more until I try this. I was aiming for at least 20 mins a day before xmas but fell by the wayside after playing WipEout for 10 minutes and nearly dying. I was definitely improving up to that point, managing to play Farpoint for longer than 20 minutes with no ill effect. Need to get back on the boat. It fucking kills me being so prone to it, nothing else I've ever done causes ill effects, boats, flying, big dippers etc. Never had a hint of nausea playing traditional games. I fucking love VR, it's incredible and it breaks my heart that I have to be cautious with it. Fuck, why is there no magic pill. I'd have been day one with this if this wasn't the case. Oh well I'll get there and then I'll be all over this.

 

I wonder if real fighter pilots, or probably more apt, stunt flyers need to combat nausea, seeing as their body is basically static yet their head and horizon is going all over the shop.

I felt queasy on Wipeout first time. Tried it a few hours later after a few beers, and had no problem. I really think the booze softened the impact and helped me find my legs. Now I'm fine with it. I'm really interested to try AC though - the freedom to roll and loop at will sounds like it'll take it a fair bit further.

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I'd love to try it but feel it would only make it worse these days. I need to take pain medication for a back injury and I've gone from being the Priest in the armchair from Father Ted to Mary Poppins. Room spins after a few bevvies now. Oh well.

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9 hours ago, amc said:

I'm waiting until I build up my VR legs a lot more until I try this. I was aiming for at least 20 mins a day before xmas but fell by the wayside after playing WipEout for 10 minutes and nearly dying. I was definitely improving up to that point, managing to play Farpoint for longer than 20 minutes with no ill effect. Need to get back on the boat. It fucking kills me being so prone to it, nothing else I've ever done causes ill effects, boats, flying, big dippers etc. Never had a hint of nausea playing traditional games. I fucking love VR, it's incredible and it breaks my heart that I have to be cautious with it. Fuck, why is there no magic pill. I'd have been day one with this if this wasn't the case. Oh well I'll get there and then I'll be all over this.

 

I wonder if real fighter pilots, or probably more apt, stunt flyers need to combat nausea, seeing as their body is basically static yet their head and horizon is going all over the shop.

 

Try taking ginger pills. Just get them from a health food store or online. I used them in the past for travel sickness and was able to sit in the back of a car from SW Scotland to Spain whilst reading a novel and didn’t feel iffy once. Without the pills I’d have spewed even if I wasn’t reading. 

 

Might be worth a go, will probably only cost a tenner. 

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Some games still make me feel icky in PSVR and I’ve been playing it since launch. Ace Combat is fine for me though - you’re anchored in the cockpit and it’s so damned smooth when you’re playing that I feel fine. Don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely intense, but only when it should be - you’re zipping around in a jet at high speeds, so you should feel it when you take off and roll. It’s absolutely fantastic in VR.

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2 hours ago, Hardbattle said:

Some games still make me feel icky in PSVR and I’ve been playing it since launch. Ace Combat is fine for me though - you’re anchored in the cockpit and it’s so damned smooth when you’re playing that I feel fine. Don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely intense, but only when it should be - you’re zipping around in a jet at high speeds, so you should feel it when you take off and roll. It’s absolutely fantastic in VR.

 

That's ace! I was wondering about the cockpit helping since the view that helps me the most in Wipeout VR is the full cockpit mode so that's good to hear.

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I caved and bought this. Really good fun with the HOTAS. But in VR ... oh wow. You can see the graphical downgrade compared to the main game, but of course in VR that doesn't matter, especially when you're above the clouds shooting MiG-29s out of the sky. 

 

As for VR sickness, nothing in my gut, but it's definitely intense and my head feels a bit funny. It's easily the toughest for my VR legs yet, but I could have played on. I'm playing on normal and couldn't finish mission 2 (of the VR mode), it's surprisingly tough.

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On 21/01/2019 at 13:14, amc said:

I wonder if real fighter pilots, or probably more apt, stunt flyers need to combat nausea, seeing as their body is basically static yet their head and horizon is going all over the shop.

 

Just to pick up on this, it seems to affect people differently. I’ve never had a particular problem with airsickness, but I know lots of people who have. In fact back in the day (when this was all fields) if student pilots were suffering with airsickness they would be sent on a separate course aimed at increasing their tolerance by taking them up in a jet (Hawk in the RAF), taking them to the limit of what they could handle before vomming and then backing off. Again and again and again. If you think that sounds horrible then I completely agree, but I guess it adds credence to the idea of getting your ‘VR legs’. 

 

Of course the difference in real life is that you get the ‘feel’ of the accelerations and rotations so there isn’t necessarily the disconnect that you get in VR (plenty of other problems though). Having a good external horizon helps, and being in control also seems to make people less susceptible. Certainly the times I’ve felt worst have been sat in the back with a particularly digital dude in the front. 

 

It all gets a lot worse when you take away the external reference (like a dark night or in cloud), when it’s very easy to get spatially disorientated or for the body to get seduced by somatogyral or somatogravic illusions. That opens up a whole new kettle of worms where you can quite easily be convinced that you’re the right way up even if you are at some random attitude. 

 

If it’s any consolation trying to play Skyrim VR made me want to hurl so much I haven’t dared put the disc back in over a year later.

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I really like this game, but its starting to push my "Computer controlled idiots" buttons.

 

You are soley responsible for the success of failure of every mission. Every other pilot may as well not be there. And on escort missions, the target aircraft has been set not to attempt any kind of evasive action whatsoever, and just be a great big mechanical pheasant and fly into missiles.

 

I get that this is how its supposed to be but man, Six repeated occasions of an escorted plane blowing up after 15 minutes and then you  have to start all of over again gets pretty old.

 

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10 hours ago, PeteBrant said:

I really like this game, but its starting to push my "Computer controlled idiots" buttons.

 

You are soley responsible for the success of failure of every mission. Every other pilot may as well not be there. And on escort missions, the target aircraft has been set not to attempt any kind of evasive action whatsoever, and just be a great big mechanical pheasant and fly into missiles.

 

I get that this is how its supposed to be but man, Six repeated occasions of an escorted plane blowing up after 15 minutes and then you  have to start all of over again gets pretty old.

 

"MOTHER GOOSE IS DOWN" 

 

Yeah, I just did that mission, it was dogshit. I'm enjoying the game otherwise, but that mission was utterly pants. 

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13 hours ago, Thor said:

"MOTHER GOOSE IS DOWN" 

 

Yeah, I just did that mission, it was dogshit. I'm enjoying the game otherwise, but that mission was utterly pants. 

After I cleared that one I went through the next 4 without failing once. So I love it again now.

 

I also won a battle royale online . wooo

 

Who's up for a bit of team battle of battle royale? We must be able to fill a room.

 

 

EDIT: Ah i think we may be talking about different mission? THe escort one I was talking about was mission 10. If you havent got that far, then sorry - You;'ve got it to come

 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

After I cleared that one I went through the next 4 without failing once. So I love it again now.

 

I also won a battle royale online . wooo

 

Who's up for a bit of team battle of battle royale? We must be able to fill a room.

 

 

EDIT: Ah i think we may be talking about different mission? THe escort one I was talking about was mission 10. If you havent got that far, then sorry - You;'ve got it to come

 

 

 

I did wonder. I may just restart the game on easy mode. It's fun, but so far it's very samey. 

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4 hours ago, gossi the dog said:

 

Protect Mother Goose. Shoot the drones/planes around the helicopter. Ignore the rest.

 

Ah, I mean mission 5. The first one *after* the Mother Goose mission, then. Yes, I completed the Mother Goose mission OK after 1 false start (icing up at treetop height? Harsh. And that start reminded me of 'threading the needle' in the old Microprose F19/F117A Stealth Fighter games...)

 

Well, I say OK, I mean I completed it in a manner that appeared to drive the aforementioned batshit narrative forward... ('Batshit' isn't necessarily an insult when it comes to Japanese games). I'm now the new guy with a reputation to keep up in a rag-tag bunch of misfits yadda yadda.

 

I suspect I keep following a bomber out of bounds to shoot it down - the mission briefing states that you cannot leave the area without being considered a deserter, so that's probably it. I should stick closer to the others.

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12 hours ago, smac said:

Well, up to Mission 4, and the story is completely batshit.

 

And I'm not sure why I keep failing the mission - unless I'm heading out of bounds or something.

 

I kept failing mission 4 - until I realised you only have to destroy the bombers that are marked with a red target message... everything else is just gravy.

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11 minutes ago, Hardbattle said:

 

I kept failing mission 4 - until I realised you only have to destroy the bombers that are marked with a red target message... everything else is just gravy.

 

I realised the same thing a mission later? Plus, press Y to switch targets. It's made the game a lot easier.

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16 minutes ago, Hardbattle said:

 

I kept failing mission 4 - until I realised you only have to destroy the bombers that are marked with a red target message... everything else is just gravy.

 

Yeah, that's what I've been concentrating on in the retries - it could also be that it's the bomber escaping the target area, or too many bombs hitting the runway that's triggering the fail state.

 

It's bit tricky to select specific targets in the middle of a big dogfight like this is - I've been re-setting the radar range and hitting triangle until one of the red targets flashes.

 

Problem with ignoring the other planes is dealing with a ton of radar locks...

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Just now, smac said:

Yeah, that's what I've been concentrating on in the retries - it could also be that it's the bomber escaping the target area, or too many bombs hitting the runway that's triggering the fail state.

 

It's bit tricky to select specific targets in the middle of a big dogfight like this is - I've been re-setting the radar range and hitting triangle until one of the red targets flashes.

 

Problem with ignoring the other planes is dealing with a ton of radar locks...

 

That, in essence, is the core challenge of the game. you have to balance the mission targets versus the things that are trying to stop you.

 

I did mission 17 last night and unlocked the F-22 with a spot of multiplayer. It's a beast - got MVP 3 games in a row...

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I love the plane porn aspect of this game - just watching a plane flare off and land in a cut-scene is :wub:

 

And I get a hangar full of all the Airfix kits I used to have hanging on my ceiling as a kid - only I get to fly them! I'm doing mission 5 in a Starfighter because it seemed in keeping with the 'old junker' aspect and, also, I love that stubby little mofo. But I was seriously tempted to invest in an F14 just to be a little bit Maverick.

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