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Andy_Tanner

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I'm flogging a dead horse here, and I don't recall exactly what Edge said on those 2 occasions. But it would be certainly possible to mark a game down for flaws while admiring its ambition and genre, and hoping that it would be successful. We know that UBISoft was using the sales of its non-realistic games as an important factor of whether to move over to only developing squad based shooters and stealth games. As a result, we were all hoping that BG&E, PoP and XIII would do well, whether or not we regarded BG&E and XIII as being entirely successful in their implementation.

Mind you, Edge didn't penalise Broken Sword 3 for its flaws, as it admired what it set out to achieve, so maybe that is inconsistent. Perhaps you should take off a mark from BS3, and add it on to BG&E's score. I'll lend you my Tippex.

i agree with everything you've said but Edge is a buying guide at the end of the day. it has to understand that people make informed choices based on their reviews. if Edge believes that BG&E stands out from the "glut" of titles released over Christmas then why isn't this reflected in their review, why am i only finding this out from them now?

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Glad I could help!

Let me know how you get on with Warioworld as I've been toying with the idea of 'splashing out' on that myself <_<

At 23 odd quid (including posting) it was rude not too!

I await it's arrival with much excitement! :unsure:

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polygon_monkey

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Ok, go on, keep rubbing my mistake in my face. Sods.  <_<

Last time I read reviews online...

You need to do some special things to get the joypad to work. If you get the PC version and have trouble, give me a PM.

How about:

"Mine worked for a bit, and now it doesn't"?

Or *why* do they require you to use the mouse to navigate the menus?

In particular - why do you need to use the mouse to navigate the Save Game menu?

Well, I still need to navigate the menus with mouse, but to make the joypad work in game I had to hold down the button that I wanted to be assigned and then use the mouse to double click on the action (I meant the button assignment) the button was meant to do.

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Glad I could help!

Let me know how you get on with Warioworld as I've been toying with the idea of 'splashing out' on that myself  :)

At 23 odd quid (including posting) it was rude not too!

I await it's arrival with much excitement! ;)

That's good. They already shipped half the order, so WarioWorld is on it's way :D

Most impressive, especially as it does not cost anymore.

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i agree with everything you've said but Edge is a buying guide at the end of the day. it has to understand that people make informed choices based on their reviews. if Edge believes that BG&E stands out from the "glut" of titles released over Christmas then why isn't this reflected in their review, why am i only finding this out from them now?

Did you actually read the review? Did you take the time to see what games it was referencing. The opening line gives Shenmue as it's closest relative on thegaming family tree. It's all about the experience. Edge state that it will leave as many people cold as it will enthrall because, like Shenmue, it's more about looking and being part of a world than anything else. Edge's review is spot on. A 7 is distinguished. But the text does tell you much more than that number. It tells you what kind of game it is. If you aren't going to go by the text of the review then you can't complain about the review at all in my opinion. It got the same score as True Crime, NFS:Underground, Call of Duty, PGR2 and Bombastic. All these games are liked by some people on this forum. All these games are really pretty different. Going by the score how would you know what game was better? Surely your own personal taste has to come into it? Surely the text of the review has to come into it? And surely, how BG+E fits in and compares against other videogames has to come into it. It's a damn good game, yes. It was one I knew would appeal to me over some of the other sevens listed. But it failed to sell. But look, True Crime and NFS:U also got a seven but they sold shitloads, didn't they. And a couple of months later, Edge decry the fact that a game they liked and thought was distinguished didn't sell as well as other games. What's the fucking problem here?

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Edge can only hope to influence it's readers. beyond that it's out of their hands. now if they believe it's a 7 fair enough but don't then tell me two issues down the line how great it is and complain that no one's bought it.

But this is where you lose me a bit I'm afraid.

The reason it 'didn't sell' has nothing to do with the score it got. The effect would be negligable, as I've said.

If, however, you mean Edge couldn't understand why 'Edge readers' didn't buy it, then you'd be onto something.

But dispite that, I'd have to agree with Squirtle on this one (regarding the 7 being good, and the review meaning more than the score anyway), and also I'd like to point out that the person who reviewed BG&E may not have been the same person who commented on the low sales of it over Christmas.

But then, I've not read either article personally, so I can't comment. And I won't. I'm done!

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But this is where you lose me a bit I'm afraid.

The reason it 'didn't sell' has nothing to do with the score it got. The effect would be negligable, as I've said.

If, however, you mean Edge couldn't understand why 'Edge readers' didn't buy it, then you'd be onto something.

But dispite that, I'd have to agree with Squirtle on this one (regarding the 7 being good, and the review meaning more than the score anyway), and also I'd like to point out that the person who reviewed BG&E may not have been the same person who commented on the low sales of it over Christmas.

But then, I've not read either article personally, so I can't comment. And I won't. I'm done!

personally i feel Edge are doing me a disservice by not bringing to my attention titles that "stand out from the glut". the BG&E review was full of nothingness. it convinced me neither way whether i'd enjoy the game or not. it didn't even leave me any idea what the title was like. yeah they referenced Shenmue. this game has very, very little in common with Shenmue.

to then tell me this month how great it is, and that it was "criminally overlooked" is, quite frankly, having a laugh.

you can diagnose it any way you like but 7/10 is not a score great games are made of.

anyway, i'm done too.

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Did you actually read the review? Did you take the time to see what games it was referencing. The opening line gives Shenmue as it's closest relative on thegaming family tree. It's all about the experience. Edge state that it will leave as many people cold as it will enthrall because, like Shenmue, it's more about looking and being part of a world than anything else. Edge's review is spot on. A 7 is distinguished. But the text does tell you much more than that number. It tells you what kind of game it is. If you aren't going to go by the text of the review then you can't complain about the review at all in my opinion. It got the same score as True Crime, NFS:Underground, Call of Duty, PGR2 and Bombastic. All these games are liked by some people on this forum. All these games are really pretty different. Going by the score how would you know what game was better? Surely your own personal taste has to come into it? Surely the text of the review has to come into it? And surely, how BG+E fits in and compares against other videogames has to come into it. It's a damn good game, yes. It was one I knew would appeal to me over some of the other sevens listed. But it failed to sell. But look, True Crime and NFS:U also got a seven but they sold shitloads, didn't they. And a couple of months later, Edge decry the fact that a game they liked and thought was distinguished didn't sell as well as other games. What's the fucking problem here?

Take your common sense out of this thread. It has no place here.

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Guest Penguin_Lad

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Woot! It's shipped!

Mind you, the new batch they got in has sold out again almost instantly! Go BG&E!

Mine says Shipped (Partial). What's all that about :S

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cloutbasher

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Buy them both. You won't regret it and they're both unbelievably cheap now. Treat yourself. It's the weekend, after all.

I have to go one at a time, I can't multitask with games. Anyway, as I'm going to the crappy Game store in Canary Wharf I might just have to take what I can.

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