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8 hours ago, Scratchy Bollock said:

 And wins over Reid, Woodhall and Eubank put him right up there with the best in my opinion.

 

Did he really beat Reid? I've watched that fight a few times and can't see why Reid didn't win.

 

Eubank was finished. I'll give you the Woodhall victory.

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I thought he beat Reid in a close one, been a few years since I saw that one though. Remember hoping there would be a rematch. Eubank went on to give Carl Thompson hell in his last two fights.  It was far from say the RJJ retirement tour, where he lost to bloody Enzo.

 

Calzaghe was a really frustrating boxer to be a fan off. I remember years off getting excited on who his next world title fight would be against. Would it be RJJ, Hopkins, Ottke, Tarver etc then it would be Tocker Pudwell or Mger Mkrtchyan and you would be thinking who the fuck is that and have to go searching them on boxrec.

 

He got his shit together with that run at the end though. After Lacy and Kessler he was undoubtedly the number 1 Super Middleweight in the world at that point. The win over Hopkins looks even better in hindsight too, with Hopkins immediately going on to beat Pavlik, Pascal and Cloud and give Dawson all kinds of problems. I don't think he was the greatest British boxer ever and he was extremely frustrating to follow at times but he was far above Euro level, suggesting that is just ridiculous. He was ranked top 10 pound for pound by Ring magazine after the Lacy and Kessler fights. He is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame and many boxing fans consider him a top 5 All Time for his weight division.

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On 01/07/2020 at 07:52, Gotters said:

I never regarded Calzaghe as somebody who should be considered an all time great, or even as good as his record would make you think.

 

He was smart, in hand picking the time he fought people that were big names but for the most part fought nobody of note, maybe it was the era and the likes of Benn/Eubank/Watson were still in my mind but he was a Euro level fighter who never went to the states and tested himself against the best.

 

Nice record but not an all time great by a long shot, could have been but we'll never know.

 

Hmm i dunno. The shit Calzaghe put himself through to attain his stamina was way beyond many, many fighters. 5-7 miles per day up Welsh Hills whilst most other fighters were running track or on some streets put him well beyond their reach for pure stamina. Given his hands were pretty fucked he done well IMO. The Hopkins fight, for me, was a mess and Reid was a bit sketchy. I guess you could argue that many punches never hit and he threw so many - but his Stamina was legendary IMO.

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It's not Iron Mike Tyson though.  Iron Mike hasn't really existed since about 1989.  This is a 54 year old Mike Tyson who can probably still bang for a couple of rounds but is a shadow of the guy who held a reign of terror over the heavyweight division for three or four years in the 80s and he's fighting a guy who is shot to shit.  RJJ makes me sad, at his peak I'd have backed him against anybody P4P, he really was that good and I think if he'd retired after he won the heavyweight title he'd probably be spoken about in the same terms as Joe Louis, Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard.  Now he's just a guy who carried on for faaaar too long. 

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He'll be kicking himself today. He effectively gave up the first six rounds through inactivity. None of his trademark combos, jabs or angles, just a lot of defensive footwork. I think he mostly nullified himself out of respect for Lopez's power and the moment he started to press from round 7 onwards, he began to win rounds. Lopez was sensational though and he showed that he's an elite level fighter who can box with real craft and intelligence, as well as brawl with the best of them. He's going to be a big star.

 

I think Loma needs to go back down, he's just never been comfortable at 135, despite some impressive wins at that weight. Still an all time great as far as I'm concerned and boxing really needs more of these super fights.

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Usyk v Chisora tonight. 

 

I'm a big Chisora fan as he's so entertaining but this could possibly be his last big fight depending on the outcome. Obviously I want him to win, however... 

I'd kinda like Usyk to win too and maybe start to shake up the heavyweight division. Usyk v Wilder would be interesting. 

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Anybody excited for a night (early morning) of boxing? 

 

Personally I was so excited to see Mike again and had major plans to watch it. Now, nah. I'm a grandad and can't stay up till 5 in the morning to watch, my xbox can't take the possibility of more piss. 

 

Far more excited for the Dubois Joyce fight. Fully expect Daniel to destroy him within 5 rounds. But ya never know... 

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I honestly can't believe people are going to pay PPV for a 2m round fight with 2 fighters over 50y old wearing big padded gloves

 

I was in the camp of youngsters who used to get up in the small hours to watch his fights on ITV and lament the late ring walks (particularly recall Spinks being an hour late as was getting his knees bandaged up to stop them knocking, so the story goes) - but even I can't register any interest in this freak show as a sporting contest.

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It being on PPV in the UK is embarrassing. I know it’ll be the only way for BT to have got the rights, but if the pubs were open I could wander into town at closing and see a more purposeful scrap.

 

Will stick Dubois Joyce on though, that should be good.

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Just returning to the top of this page a minute, I also felt Reid probably beat Calzaghe, but that was maybe the first fight where Joe's hands really had an effect on his performance. Reid was a well-schooled compact boxer with long arms, but I don't think he met the prime Calzaghe that night. I wanted to see Dean Francis fight Calzaghe in '97, but naturally they were both building their careers and then Francis picked up the first of his many injuries.

 

I'm picking Dubois to get the job done tonight. Popular consensus for me. Although it felt like there were as many backing Joyce when it was announced. But it's a great Benn-Eubank fight on paper, because there's probably no-one worse for Dubois to be up against if he blows himself out. I just fancy Joyce'll get tagged in the first half, but if I couldn't visualise that happening (Kuzmin in the ams) I might back him.

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