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kiroquai

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On 05/06/2022 at 00:38, Parappa said:

TT is on and for the first time you can watch live via an app. I'm here and it's been amazing so far but a huge crash in side car race 1 has sadly ended race day 1

 

Been a terrible year for the TT, sadly. Three fatalities. Even worse, the second fatality happened in that side car race and the victim was wrongly identified - the organisers originally said the passenger had passed away but it was in-fact the rider.

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2 hours ago, kiroquai said:

 

Been a terrible year for the TT, sadly. Three fatalities. Even worse, the second fatality happened in that side car race and the victim was wrongly identified - the organisers originally said the passenger had passed away but it was in-fact the rider.

Yeah seen this today - terrible for all involved. 

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My thoughts go to their families, its such an awesome spectacle and these guys wouldnt do it if they didnt love it. Look at McGuinness, if anyone deserved to hang up his leathers its  him but hes now broken 100 starts.

 

Some of the footage has been amazing, I've only been watching on ITV4, but the Supersport race they had a camera under eithr Johnstones or Harrisons seat and just watching his feet on the foot pegs was mesmerising.

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That's awful, it's always awful. 

 

The circuits probably safer than it's ever been, but the bikes are getting faster and faster, and of course deaths happen in all road racing events and it doesn't matter who you are or where it is, the Dunlop's have all died at much smaller events than the TT and you do have to wonder if the riders that had lost their lives were bigger names then there'd be more done than an identikit press release where the names and dates have been changed.

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The bikes do gradually get slightly faster, and you could maybe argue that they could start enforcing more F1-style limits on the setups, but it's also true that it's pretty much never the top (and therefore fastest) riders that die at the TT - it's largely newer riders, and I think more frequently in qualifying than in race week. I don't know that those guys would crash much less often if you capped the power output or whatever - I don't feel like the supersports are meaningfully less dangerous than the superbikes, for example.

 

I don't know what else they really can do, either in terms of safety measures or the way they pay tribute. It's an inherent aspect of the sport and you either ban it or accept the risks (while mitigating them as far as you realistically can). Everyone's a willing participant, just as they are in boxing, MMA, etc. - personally, I find the latter a lot harder to stomach, given that injury is basically the intention rather than a tragic side effect.

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But its not newer riders, the bloke who died in the Supersport race had been partaking for years.

 

The fact its invitational alleviates some of the blame from the organisers somewhat, the riders are there taking part because they want to, not because theyre contractually obliged to do so, though thats muddied a bit when you represent a works team.

 

I'm not advocating a ban, far from it, I love the TT and all motorcycle racing in particular is incredibly dangerous, look at how bad Nakagami's crash could have been in last weekends MotoGP. I was raised around these types of people, frequently in the paddocks at Donington and Mallory Park, how know how much this means to them, but sports people dont tend to regulate themselves, its up to organisers and rule makers to find a way to continuously increase safety standards.

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1 hour ago, wev said:

But its not newer riders, the bloke who died in the Supersport race had been partaking for years.

 

I said it's largely newer riders, not only. Sure, the top riders have their accidents too - Hutchinson and Martin being famous examples at the TT, obviously - but it's far more often the relative newcomers that die, as far as I've seen. And of course that makes sense too, with the length of the course and the difficulty of learning literally hundreds of corners.

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