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1 hour ago, gizmo1990 said:

Why is other m even being brought up here..? Sheesh.. it's a sad time when I'm forced to read the gaf thread to be on the happy train. The reviews are almost overwhelmingly positive! Rejoice!

 

Yes, because the press can always be trusted 100%. :P

Sorry, having been part of the machinery I tend to trust those that find flaws over those that merely announce the second coming of Adam. All useless in the end though, I will be playing this myself.

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1 hour ago, Cyhwuhx said:

 

Yes, because the press can always be trusted 100%. :P

Sorry, having been part of the machinery I tend to trust those that find flaws over those that merely announce the second coming of Adam. All useless in the end though, I will be playing this myself.

 

Ive never subscribed to that argument. I'm sure someone can name an exception (in fact there's always some exceptions to a rule) but has there been a title with overwhelmingly good reviews which later was found out to be a sub par? Perhaps during the 8/16 bit days when publishers would give journos the celebrity treatment.

 

Generally speaking though, especially in today's "I've got an opinion" world, if a title is generally well received you're assured of a reasonable level of believability.

 

Anyway, as a point of reference I always refer back to one of my favourite games, Rick Dangerous. It garnered nothing but 7's and 8's back in the day. I was happy with those scores and when I played the game it exceeded my expectations. I doubt Samus Returns is going to disappoint me.

 

Btw, that's two independent mentions of Rick Dangerous I've managed in a week. :wub:

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2 minutes ago, gizmo1990 said:

 

Ive never subscribed to that argument. I'm sure someone can name an exception (in fact there's always some exceptions to a rule) but has there been a title with overwhelmingly good reviews which later was found out to be a sub par? 

GTA IV and L.A Noire to name two fairly recent examples.

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Maybe I'm getting old, but I'd rather that this was an Other M-style memorable shitshow with genuinely excellent stuff buried in it than a by-the-numbers Metroid game (whatever that would look like).

 

I got the preparing-for-dispatch notification on my Legacy Edition so I guess I'll find out soon enough.

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Cyhwuhx

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4 hours ago, Goemon said:

I love the way people moan about not getting a new Metroid and when they do, they moan that it's not quite right

Maybe this time everyone's moaning can kill the franchise forever.

 

Heaven forbid you actually dare to look at a franchise critically. Apparently Federation Force was a masterpiece in hindsight and Metroid II the pinnacle of its genre.

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14 hours ago, Alex W. said:

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'd rather that this was an Other M-style memorable shitshow with genuinely excellent stuff buried in it than a by-the-numbers Metroid game (whatever that would look like).

 

I got the preparing-for-dispatch notification on my Legacy Edition so I guess I'll find out soon enough.

 

ah - you see... it's not a *proper* Metroid game unless it has deliberate game breaking bugs amazing shortcuts.

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1 hour ago, Cyhwuhx said:

Heaven forbid you actually dare to look at a franchise critically. Apparently Federation Force was a masterpiece in hindsight and Metroid II the pinnacle of its genre.

That's a bit to reductionist, I think. Metroid is just a series that people really want to succeed, granted that it sticks to its roots and offers something similar to older titles unlike FF or Other M.

 

In this instance though, I've heard complaints from people who have shown a genuine understanding of what works in older Metroid titles. That is the thing that keeps me from buying the game. The positive reviews tend to have more of a "it's Metroid! And it's 2D! Yay!" type of tone to them. Giving it an overly positive air  to a game which, while good, is making some subtle but important mistakes. Mistakes that ruin what made Metroid unique and stand out from the rest of the Metroidvania crowd.

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1 hour ago, Cyhwuhx said:

Apparently Federation Force was a masterpiece in hindsight

A masterpiece no, but better than the mauling it got purely because it wasn't exactly what everyone thought they wanted at the time? Yeah.

 

Federation Force was not a great title, but it was not truly terrible either - the backlash took hold strong on that one all the way from the botched reveal really. People were lining up to kick it because that was what they were expected to do - calling it mediocre (which it was) wasn't enough, it had to be called a travesty.

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I'm just going to throw it out there while we are on this topic. It isn't enough just to make a game, especially when dealing with a franchise, it's one thing to get a new franchise game, it is another thing to justify the existence of said game altogether.

Other than just updating an aged game and giving us more "metroid" (a challenge already regularly taken by other studios) what is this new metroid game going to do? 

If we use Super Metroid as the base here is what every metroid game following it was doing:

Fusion: Atmospheric sci-fi horror.

Prime: Metroid FPS.

Zero Mission: The high performance sports car of 2D metroid, slick, fast, a lot of freedom of control and exploitation. Was actively trying to better super.

Prime 2: Incredibly oppressive, the world is an enemy in itself. Manages to have its own identity despite being a reworked prime.

Hunters: Online multiplayer, interplanetary exploration, made to demonstrate DS graphical power as the PSP power threat loomed over Nintendo.

Prime 3: Experimental motion control mechanics (that actually improved the trilogy) and closure to the narrative.

Other M: Straight faced (unsuccessful) attempt to do classic metroid in 3D.

 

If we look at these games and then Federation Force and Samus Returns we have to ask what these games are actually doing? The most significant thing FF had was Samus not being a playable character, a lot of people hold the belief that Hunters already did FF better a decade earlier.

Samus Returns is self explanatory, it's right there in the title. It's a "we haven't made one of these in a while" game. It isn't trying to better super like zero mission attempted nor is it trying a new direction like Fusion did.

 

I'll reserve full judgement until I play it but from the outside looking in the games justified existence is that they are trying to pick it back up for the sake of it. From what they've shown of it the it looks like it was designed around a checklist of what they think people like about the games more than any desire to try and see if they can evolve metroid any more.

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Good grief, there's some navel gazing going on here. I  can see why the likes of HL3 will never see daylight.

 

I like sci fi action games, I like shooting things, I like exploring, I like eerie atmospheric environments. I get the impression this game will deliver a reasonable dose of these things. I'm happy to give it a go given the overwhelmingly positive reaction so far.

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34 minutes ago, Protocol Penguin said:

 

Indeed. If a games review is just all superlatives and positives, then it isn't worth reading from a consumer point of view.

What's the word I'm looking for here....oh yeah....CLAPTRAP.

 

Some games are good enough that nit-picking for something, anything, negative to say just to check a box is worse than just embracing a good thing, enjoying it, and saying so.

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19 hours ago, gizmo1990 said:

 

Ive never subscribed to that argument. I'm sure someone can name an exception (in fact there's always some exceptions to a rule) but has there been a title with overwhelmingly good reviews which later was found out to be a sub par? Perhaps during the 8/16 bit days when publishers would give journos the celebrity treatment.

 

Resistance 2 got a 9.5 from IGN.

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The one thing I absolutely loved from OtherM was the controls, movement and combat. This looks to have a lot of that (pause a video at almost any point where there's enemy interaction, and the character posing looks like it could be painted over to perfectly re-imagine the brilliant Super Metroid box-art) but with the terrible stuff from that game (OtherM) ripped out at the root.

 

Really excited to play it one day.

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