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Just watched the first episode. Yet another middle aged white guy turning to crime. After Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul I feel that's all just a bit tedious now, as though the stories that need to be told are the ones which show that even though the average bloke with a non-crime job (you) could be excellent at crime, it wouldn't be worth it in the end! Also everyone is terrible and joy is not allowed.

 

Also really confused at how Laura Linney's character didn't respond at all to her lover being killed. At all.

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On 21/09/2020 at 00:56, Couch Corpse said:

Ozark overall is very average, S1 was great, I can't remember anything about S2, and S3 was laughable in parts with the "crazy" poochie brother showing up and off his meds to shake things up. To say it's better than even the low points of BB is laughable.

 

Average? Laughable? Hold your horses there champ. I watched Breaking Bad a few years after the hype died down, and whilst it is genuinely excellent for so many reasons, I found it really hard to get on board with Walt and Jesse. They were genuinely dislikeable. Walt has no journey. He's just a repressed cunt who lets it all out cos he's dying. I can't remember specifics, but there were numerous occasions - particularly how he interacted with his family - that I just wanted to punch him in the face.

 

Ozark's leads have great journeys. Marty's a frustrated financial genius who knows the measure of his potential is only ever going to be making other people rich and he gets swept up in something that initially seems much bigger than him. Wendy is an incredibly strong and ambitious woman who had to put her life on hold to raise children and now has so much catching up to do. Even the side characters have more depth.

 

Ultimately Walt would vote Trump and Marty would vote Biden.

 

Ozark wins.

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40 minutes ago, Opinionated Ham Scarecrow said:

Walt has no journey. He's just a repressed cunt who lets it all out cos he's dying. I can't remember specifics, but there were numerous occasions - particularly how he interacted with his family - that I just wanted to punch him in the face.

 

 

Walt certainly as a journey, as much as the journey's you described in Ozark, it's just that it's not a particularly positive one. It's more nuanced than him just being a repressed cunt.

 

But, they are both great show with brilliant writing and performances so which ever you prefer is personal  preference.

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It's undoubtedly amazing television, though I think the last season and the next season will suffer from them inadvertently getting deeper and deeper and I don't completely buy the Big Bads interest and trust in Wendy after their brief interactions- It feels a bit unearned to me.

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Getting into spoiler territory here but 

 

Spoiler

They opened the casino giving the cartel their first ever legitimate money laundering business and Wendy had her own brother killed to protect the big bad. Plus he's in the middle of a drug war that Wendy and Marty have offered to end by getting the feds onto the other cartel for killing on US soil. The Byrde's made themselves indisposable which is why he chose them over Helen.

 

I don't think it's trust as much as need though. As soon as he doesn't need them they're fucked.

 

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  • 11 months later...

I already knew about the two parts before? I can't remember if I posted in this thread (I could go back a page to see I suppose) but I love this show. I have that last season as one of the greatest ever. I am puzzled by the often muted response to the show and can only gather it's those weirdos who think Breaking Bad only became exciting by season 4* and expected this show to be similarly. What it lacked I think was a constant threat, a villain who could loom over Marty and his family, it was too slow to show the casino development and I didn't ever feel like Marty was in danger from the cartels boss, more other people nearby...

 

It brought in Helen which is among the best casting I've ever seen, I absolutely believe she is a representative of a cartel boss. Her in a black suit in a black car. And then the cartel boss who was just as good. Finally it all clicked for me. It's still sort of slow I guess and doesn't really push on or dramatically change things but it just hits such high dramatic moments. It's called Ozarc and it's going to stay in Ozarc...they're not going to suddenly go on the run. 

 

*the show hit a high with the 'pass the cushion' scene and all extreme events of just the first 3 episodes, the tension of episode 1 season 2 was unmatched. 

 

Ozarc has some of the best most unexpected moments of anything I've ever watched. Some of the best casting and convincing performances I've ever seen. The guy with the big beard in season 1 (sorry forget his name), Darlene (unbelievably convincing), then Helen. But then I think Boardwalk Empire has some of the greatest TV moments and it's never really regarded as one of the greats when it is. Stephen Graham as Al Capone in scenes with Michael Shannon, watching tv rarely gets better than that really. 

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  • 3 months later...

Wat, no one has posted this yet!?

 

I just want one tiny thing from this, please please have a good ending. Please. Don't go out with a divisive, expectation subverting wimper. A great ending, one that the vast majority agree on, is possible. It's just bloody bloody hard. But that's why you get paid the big bucks!

 

 

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On 10/01/2022 at 19:55, Gigawatt said:

We’ve just mainlined all 3 seasons of this in a couple of weeks and just wanted to agree that it is excellent. 

 

Third series a little off the boil versus the first 2, but yes. Outstanding production.

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1 hour ago, Timmo said:

I thought series 3 was stronger than 2, personally.

 

Me too. I've probably said in the thread, I can't remember, but it's really the introduction of a villain which I think the show needed that brought the threat back. As good as Helen is. I think they realised that with how season 3 begins, their close proximity to the cartel boss and some things that happen. You have to feel like Wendy and Marty and the kids are in real danger and way out of their depth.

 

The pilot started by showing Marty being very close to being killed, then -as good as season 1 is in other ways- that sense of threat disappears a little bit more by each episode. They/Marty have problem after problem after problem but I kind of get why some people are disappointed in the tempo and tone of the show after how it's set up. It's not season 4 of Breaking Bad, which for people who don't like slow burns and only want action Ozarc never lived up to the comparison. 

 

I generally like season 3s of shows though, it always seems to me with season 2 there's a carry over from 1 and then with 3 the writers need to inject more, introduce more characters, re think the show more. 

 

1 hour ago, Timmo said:

Have they confirmed it's the final season?

 

Yeah, split into two 7 episode chunks. 

 

7 is enough for me to think of it as two separate seasons. I thought there was another 2 full seasons to develop Wendy so I'm sad to see it end. 

 

For anyone who hasn't watched this show, seeing this thread appear at the top of the film folder and popping in for a peak to see if it's worth watching...it really is. 

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