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@Loik V credern I don’t mean to  sound dismissive but I think you’re confusing this for a show that’s some kind of masterpiece of writing or even concept. It isn’t. It’s always been average (fun but average) and got away with it through more and more ridiculous plots.
Now we are toward the end it’s got nowhere to go and suddenly it appears bad. This show hasn’t had any great twists or shocks for ages. Shame though. 

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I've just finished going through the whole run for the last couple of weeks, and am inclined to agree.

Started off great for the first couple of seasons, latter two I felt like had some mis-steps with the bigger story arcs but I was at least invested enough to see how they resolve stuff. Then it didnt really, just sort of 'stopped' rather than ended. Ho hum.

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Two eps left and still no fucking car crash. It’s incredible how poor of a decision narratively that is. 
 

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Marty is going to Mexico? Who cares, he’ll be fine. The kids are apparently going to live with their grandfather? No they’re not. There’s a scary guy in the house? Who cares it will be fine. For a show so consistently built on tension early on, it’s incredible that the writers could make such a small decision that ruins so much of the story. 


In general, it’s been a consistent decline since the very good first season. Season 2 was ok, the last two have been boring shite. 

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Finished. That was the worst season of Ozark yet, and the first half of the season and the previous one were pretty awful. Terrible, unsatisfying, poorly written trash. Possibly the sharpest decline of any Netflix show. I wish I’d stopped watching after season 2, because it got incredibly repetitive, repeating the good season 1 scenes with none of the finesse or intelligence. 

 

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I don’t get what I’m supposed to take away from that? The world is awful and if you’re born poor you’re fucked and rich people will always win and be able to do whatever horrible shit they want? I guess that’s realistic but that’s not really what I’m watching TV for, and it wasn’t even delivered well. Marty became an empty, pointless blob. Wendy devolved into being incessantly hateful. The kids have completely inconsistent motivations and behave however this scene needs them to. And they’re all just so stupid. They make ridiculous choices, wandering around like they’ve read the script without any effort made to justify anything. 


Just utter shit. I can’t believe I’ve wasted so much time watching it over the last few years. If you’ve not watched it, or if you’re half way through, just don’t bother. It’s pretty looking, pointless, badly written garbage. 

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I reckon I just had lower expectations than everyone e else. 
I’m a bit disappointed by how it wrapped up but I can’t see how it would end any other way. Like I said before, it had a few moments which created sone real surprises and which gave it all the momentum but it’s been illogical and silly from day one. It’s never been especially well written or had strong character development. Better than the average TV show but no classic. 

Now back to Better Call Saul…
 

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I normally wait until a series has had a full run before I bother to watch it (sometimes years after it first aired) just to avoid the usual netflix-ery of it being cancelled halfway through with no resolution.

 

So it's somewhat ironic that in this case it actually avoided being cancelled, yet somehow felt like it had.

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12 hours ago, Protocol Penguin said:

Finished the final season, and it wasn’t “oh, that was a bit disappointing” bad, but Games of Thrones level “I wish I’d never wasted my time watching this series in the first place” bad. :( 

But what happened in the first seasons to make you think you were getting a classic?

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10 hours ago, g wings said:

But what happened in the first seasons to make you think you were getting a classic?

Never, ever thought it was a classic, more a fairly decent drama, something which tends to be fairy rare on Netflix in terms of their own series.

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I think the moment this jumped the shark was 

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when Helen got shot

 

It was a shocking, powerful moment but the show was never the same again.

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Ending spoilers 

 

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Not how I wanted it to end but wouldn't call it a bad ending. Was fitting and depressingly realistic. The rich and corrupt always win in the end. 

 

 

One major niggle about it all, so Darlene and Wyatt get murdered so the house is an active crimescene, would the cops not search the rest of the farm and buildings? Yet the barn full off heroin is just left sitting there. 

 

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Man alive, can’t recall a show that has tanked so badly in such a short space of time. I reached four episodes into the second half of the finale and just can’t be bothered anymore.

 

Feel like season four should have been kept to 10 episodes. Or even eight. There is so much treading water that after the half-decent episode eight watching became infuriating. Even Ruth started to grind because she was just going round in circles while the show’s many cogs and wheels huffed and cranked to engineer pieces into place.

 

Anyway, read the ending. And now I’m glad I won’t waste any more time watching what was a good show fall apart even more. I am disappoint.

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On 05/05/2022 at 05:24, g wings said:

@Loik V credern I don’t mean to  sound dismissive but I think you’re confusing this for a show that’s some kind of masterpiece of writing or even concept. It isn’t. It’s always been average (fun but average) and got away with it through more and more ridiculous plots.

A lot of people seem to really rate it. Particularly towards the start everyone was saying it was the next Breaking Bad (which I personally never thought it was meant to be). You can see why it was said though - normal bloke pulled into a world of crime due to being very good at something that happens to be very useful to criminals. Wife hates the idea at first but slowly gets into it. Charismatic younger "assistant" character who gets fucked over repeatedly due to bloke's fundamental lack of moral integrity. 

But I mostly agree with your assessment, although I would say it a step above average - though certainly not spectacularly so. 

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2 hours ago, Anne Summers said:

A lot of people seem to really rate it. Particularly towards the start everyone was saying it was the next Breaking Bad (which I personally never thought it was meant to be). You can see why it was said though - normal bloke pulled into a world of crime due to being very good at something that happens to be very useful to criminals. Wife hates the idea at first but slowly gets into it. Charismatic younger "assistant" character who gets fucked over repeatedly due to bloke's fundamental lack of moral integrity. 

But I mostly agree with your assessment, although I would say it a step above average - though certainly not spectacularly so. 

 Yes, you’re right. I thought it felt well above average really. But like I said before, lots of the success was the big surprises. It had enough of those and they really did a great job with a couple of them. But the slow never really had anywhere to go other than where it did. 

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I thought the first half of the season was as good as anything else they have done.

 

But the second half was completely derailed....

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Once Javi was out of the picture, it completely vacuumed any and all tension out of the show.

 

Couple that up with losing Darlene, 1? 2? Episodes prior. You have just lost two wild cards (Yeeeehaw) with the only remaining one not looking anywhere near as previously threatening, I mean Wendy just laughs in his face whilst he is sat in prison.

 

Oh well! It won't tarnish the overall show for me (the GoT effect) but it's just a bit of a shrug of a final season.

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2 hours ago, Minion said:

Please tell me I wasn’t the only person who had to google who that rapper was that Ruth met in the bar?


You’re not the only one, and that was a moment I wondered “What was the point in that ?”

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Up to episode 11, three to go, and it’s just very flat. They’ve killed off all the most interesting and unpredictable characters and everyone’s got impervious plot armour thanks to that fucking car crash flash-forward. I’m really only watching it for Ruth now, and it feels like it should have been a regular length final season rather than this extended two part thing they’ve gone for. 

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We just finished tonight and our reaction was meh. 
 

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Killing Ruth really pissed me off, she was far and away the best character in it. You’re rooting for her as she’s had everything taken from her and been exploited by the Byrdes. And just when it looks like she’s going to get a happy ending it’s ripped away from her.  
 

The Byrdes winning in the end in itself isn’t that problematic. It’s not what I wanted but that’s the choice they went with so fine. It’s less believable that Jonah is suddenly on their side at the end after everything that’s happened.

 

The car crash being a red herring was a piss-take. Should never have been there as it destroyed the tension in the whole series for no payoff.


I’m left with the same feeling as I had at the end of House of Cards, although this was nowhere near as huge a fall from grace as that show. 

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Having Googled it to check episode recaps as I went I saw a lot of 'viewers vote Ozark the worst ending ever in history' results so was expecting some absolute rubbish so I found it ok really, a few annoyances aside


 

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The car crash ended up an albatross, for it to start the season so you're waiting for it to happen and the result is that they have to get a taxi home instead? If that was the way to explain Jonah suddenly being completely on-side again it was a stretch

 

I liked both characters but introducing Javi and Camila as brief new big bosses for each half felt a bit rushed. The best proper villain though, I didn't think anything could make Wendy seem sympathetic at this point but John Boy Walton was great. The scene where he had the evening talk with Ruth was absolutely full of menace

 

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On 10/05/2022 at 09:31, Anne Summers said:

A lot of people seem to really rate it.

 

It has an IMDb rating of 8.5 and has a shittonne of Emmy nominations, but when it comes to Netflix's original stuff, I'm quite dubious of their actual quality as the stuff I've seen has generally not been as good as the general sentiment would indicate it should be *cough* Narcos *cough*

 

At least this thread has saved me a good chunk of lifespan that can be wasted on some other distraction rather than watching this at some point.

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3 hours ago, Vulgar Monkey said:

Interesting you mention that - Narcos was on my list of 'shit I should probably watch next before getting rid of 'flix'.

 

You should definitely watch the first 2 series that tell the story of Pablo Escobar, they are decent, more interesting than Ozark turned out.

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I actually really enjoyed all seasons of this, mostly due to Jason Bateman and Julia Garner, but the ending was just so..... flat. 😐

I really thought there were a few more eps to come, but then my missus said "nope that's it"! So I literally shrugged my shoulders. That's never going to be a good note to go out on. 🙄

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  • 2 weeks later...

Late to the party as my TV time had been invested into other things, but I've just finished it. I liked the show overall, but the ending was "Meh, fine", at best.

 

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Apart from Jonah blasting the PI at the end - I don't think that scene was really required at all.

 

Shame about Ruth but felt inevitable, though such a great character deserved a more memorable way to go out

 

It feels like we should have gotten an epilogue:

 

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10 years on:

 

- Charlotte has no relationship with Wendy & Marty

- Jonah struggling with addiction/mental health similar to his uncle

- Wendy/Marty about to kingmake some politician who "betrays" them by taking the war on drugs to the Navarro cartel, rendering their agreements null and void

- Wendy's dad is dead, but is remembered fondly through his charitable work for his religious group.

- Camilla struggles with yet another power heave and the oncoming US political sanctions.

- Ruth's nephew (?) is the first Langmore to graduate college and have a clean record, he takes on running the casino with Ruth's mate and inherits Ruth's estate, having only legitimate business interests.

- Marty/Wendy relationship utterly dead, but bound together by their empire

- FBI lady is making progress on the case of the disappearance of the PI

 

Although the message from the ending we got is that the Byrdes would be just fine, so maybe an epilogue of Wendy & Charlotte farting about the Hamptons with a soon-to-be president while Jonah is a tech or crypto billionaire, and Marty has retired and plays squash.

 

 

Obviously my version is rubbish but y'know, something to see the longer term outcomes.

 

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