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1 hour ago, englishbob said:

. The Joker character's backstory just didn't need to be told did it?


I thought it complemented the character, the way you get to know why Joker is the villain he is. 
 

someone on YouTube wrote:

 

1989: throw him into chemicals to become Joker

2019: throw him in a society 

 

Backstory add depth and character progression. It explains why Bruce Wayne is Batman, and without a backstory, a villain becomes a one dimensional caricature.

 

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Except Nolan and Ledger's Joker is so compelling for the exact opposite reason. 

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but I don't think there's another 'universe' that has produced such a varied collection of stories. Batman and his cast of characters have been in every kind of tale you could imagine. I thought Joker was daring to do what the comics have been doing for decades with just dropping the character in to a world of their choosing and seeing if it fits. I thought it worked, I was absolutely glued to the screen.

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1 hour ago, KartoffelKopf said:

Except Nolan and Ledger's Joker is so compelling for the exact opposite reason. 

 

Exactly my view. Same as John Doe in "Seven". Unless of course Hollywood are making his backstory now?

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3 minutes ago, englishbob said:

 

Exactly my view. Same as John Doe in "Seven". Unless of course Hollywood are making his backstory now?

 

Probably as a series for a streaming service.

 

I wonder who's film the director is going to copy this time?

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On 01/03/2021 at 20:26, KartoffelKopf said:

Except Nolan and Ledger's Joker is so compelling for the exact opposite reason. 

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but I don't think there's another 'universe' that has produced such a varied collection of stories. Batman and his cast of characters have been in every kind of tale you could imagine. I thought Joker was daring to do what the comics have been doing for decades with just dropping the character in to a world of their choosing and seeing if it fits. I thought it worked, I was absolutely glued to the screen.

 

 

Good post!

 

Nolan's Joker was very well written, and perfectly executed by Ledger so I would say that's the exception rather than the rule. Lets pretend Ledger didn't die, unless the next Batman movies included some backstory then I think the novelty would wear off very quickly. Ledger was great because it was completely new and it took everyone by surprise. But unless you add more depth to that character, then before you know it it becomes predictable and stereotypical. 

 

After first watching The Dark Night I was more or less satisfied, loved the movie and loved Ledgers performance and that was kinda it.  After watching Phoenix's Joker on the other hand I wanted a sequel right then and there because of the ending. It was like the entire movie was a build up of whats to come. That scene in the end where he gets pulled out of the car and stands in front of the cheering crowd mob and uses blood to paint his face.....it made me think holy cow that's a true agent of chaos. The perfect villain! As someone once said, children loves heroes and adults understands villains. 

 

There is absolutely no reason to compare Ledger and Phoenix, because its two completely different type of movies. Its possible to love them both, and I do!

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9 hours ago, schmojo said:

If Ledger was still around, we'd have probably seen him rolling around in a pimped-out Jokertank to a Pat Benatar song by now.


I imagine he would’ve just appeared in the Dark Knight Rises (if I remember rightly Nolan had a plan to include him originally) then bowed out with Bale. The cast of that trilogy have all had enough sense to avoid getting involved in the current festival of garbage that is the DCEU.

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