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Does this come as a shock? I was wondering what a experimental 'arty' game like Killer 7 was doing on the Cube. Not selling, that's for sure.

I'm wondering if Dead Phoenix will be fun using Live. One ground team, one air team. Something like that game based of the movie with the dragons.

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Does this come as a shock? I was wondering what a experimental 'arty' game like Killer 7 was doing on the Cube. Not selling, that's for sure.

Yeah, because Ico, Rez and Gregory Horror Show were real big sellers on the PS2 weren't they. Truly the PS2 is the home of 'arthouse' games.

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No great surprise really I guess. Though it is interesting that they have confirmed the GC release dates (2005 for Europe!) but not the PS2 ones, simply saying "PS2 release is confirmed but more specific information will follow". Looks like a GC release first, followed by a PS2 launch several months later.

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Yeah, because Ico, Rez and Gregory Horror Show were real big sellers on the PS2 weren't they. Truly the PS2 is the home of 'arthouse' games.

You don't understand. At all.

Arty games sell to a small audience. If you sell them on PS2, you have 40 million people out there who could buy. If even 5% do, you have a smash hit.

You sell on the GC, and if EVERY GC owner buys a copy, you barely break even :D

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You don't understand. At all.

Arty games sell to a small audience. If you sell them on PS2, you have 40 million people out there who could buy. If 5% do you have a smash hit.

You sell on the GC, and if EVERY GC owner buys a copy, you barely break even :D

Erm, you don't understand. At all.

It's all about demographics - the GC userbase is skewed more towards people who would be interested in this than the PS2 one. Having a big userbase is one thing, but when they are 99% interested in FIFA and NFSU it doesn't automatically mean bigger sales for a title such as Killer 7.

Let me clarify, if you were selling tickets for an art exhibition would you expect to sell more tickets going to a great big cinema showing 'Robot Machine Killer #1', or a smaller specialist place showing 'The Life of Perez Dondulberry'??

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It's all about demographics - the GC userbase is skewed more towards people who would be interested in this than the PS2 one. Having a big userbase is one thing, but when they are 99% interested in FIFA and NFSU it doesn't automatically mean bigger sales for a title such as Killer 7.

Skewed more, yes. Nowhere NEAR skewed enough to make up for the HUGE PS2 advantage in numbers. The size of the PS2 userbase is why titles like Ico got published... AT ALL.

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Skewed more, yes. Nowhere NEAR skewed enough to make up for the HUGE PS2 advantage in numbers

I don't know about that.

Ico on PS2: Hyped to the moon by the magazines. Gained excellent reviews. General agreement on video game forums that it is great. Didn't sell very well.

Viewtiful Joe on GC: Hyped to the moon by the magazines. Gained excellent reviews. General agreement on video game forums that it is great (far less glowing praise than for Ico though). Sold reasonably well.

Sorry about the vagueness of the sales figures they're mainly just hearsay. If anyone has the actual figures for each i'll happily eat humble pie if Ico turns out to have sold better than Joe...

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Viewtiful Joe on GC: Hyped to the moon by the magazines. Gained excellent reviews. General agreement on video game forums that it is great (far less glowing praise than for Ico though). Sold reasonably well.

I also seem to remember Playstation fanboys saying things along the lines of: "VIEWTIFULIS TEHGAYER!!!!!2-DSUXGRAFFIX!1"

Surely it can only be a good thing if its released on as many consoles as possible?

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Venice Cull

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Oh, I doubt that James. Remember, Gamecube owners have far better, and more descerning tastes than other console owners (as far as I can tell, I don't have any other consoles - oh, actually I do own an X-bocks, yeah, I own one of them), not FIFA and realistic space marine/crime sims games for idiots who don't know anything.

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Oh, I doubt that James. Remember, Gamecube owners have far better, and more descerning tastes than other console owners (as far as I can tell, I don't have any other consoles - oh, actually I do own an X-bocks, yeah, I own one of them), not FIFA and realistic space marine/crime sims games for idiots who don't know anything.

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Eh? Where did that come from?

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Read above, it's a blummin joke, sending up hardcore snobbery. It's like hearing a bunch of wine tasters talking about how 1947 was a better year then 1949.

Most of the time you come across as having a dig rather than making a joke though. That's what I think you're doing here; I'm sorry if I'm wrong though.

Anyway, I think the PS2s large installed base and huge library of games is precisely the reason why it would sell better on GC. I find that the owners of the 'losing' consoles tend to champion average exclusive games, e.g. Splinter Cell, Rogue Squadron, etc. and raise their sales levels.

I still think that a Nintendo developed ICO (comparable to Sony developed) would have sold more than it did. It's just a hunch though; I fully accept that I might be wrong.

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I find that the owners of the 'losing' consoles tend to champion average exclusive games, e.g. Splinter Cell, Rogue Squadron, etc. and raise their sales levels.

This is definitely true.

I don't think this argument is going to get very far without figures though.

And comparing Ico to VJ is hardly fair is it.

To the uninformed, Ico looks a complete loser of a game. On the other hand, Viewtiful Joe looks a bit like a ninja <_<

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I still think that a Nintendo developed ICO (comparable to Sony developed) would have sold more than it did. It's just a hunch though; I fully accept that I might be wrong.

Here's the thing, Nintendo would have put more marketing behind it. I'm sure it would have graced a few more Nintendo magazine covers as well. So possibly.

My point (hidden in my "dig") is that I'm sure there are plenty of 'descerning' gamers who play PS2. Possibly more so now because of games like ICO.

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It's like hearing a bunch of wine tasters talking about how 1947 was a better year then 1949.

In fact, there is a debate about this. Both are considered amongst the best years of the 20th century (in the Bordelais at least), but we still don't know which one is the best.

On a small note, my two "casual" gamers friends both own a GC, and no PS2.

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