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20 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

See I can’t afford any modern gaming systems, doesn’t mean I like games any less.

 

Not my point.

 

20 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

Nintendo games are definitely over represented. Sega, Midway, Treasure, Capcom, Cave, Konami, Hudson, SNK, Taito, Namco etc have created games that are up there with the best games ever but are horribly under represented on the list (if represented at all). I’d have expected more representation of these developers on a gaming forum. 

 

Over-represented how? Given that Nintendo only releases on Nintendo platforms, you'd expect that their reach would be diminished, and cross-platform games more likely to make it into a list.

 

That Nintendo games are remembered more fondly by a greater proportion of people who play them is why they get more votes. That's not over-representation, it's a reflection of their essential popularity. You could say that this means they are populist - fine; it's what beard-stroking 'true' fans have been saying to dismiss popular culture since the days of the jazz fanatics.

 

Most people vote for Nintendo games because they craft extremely well-thought out games that not only are enjoyable to play, they are honed to absolute perfection. Other people do that; that they don't get the same number of votes doesn't mean we think they're shit - I bet every one who voted for Nintendo games also voted for Sega, Midway, Treasure, Capcom, Cave and the rest. As well as for independents and auteurs.

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18 minutes ago, smac said:

 

Not my point.

 

 

Over-represented how? Given that Nintendo only releases on Nintendo platforms, you'd expect that their reach would be diminished, and cross-platform games more likely to make it into a list.

 

That Nintendo games are remembered more fondly by a greater proportion of people who play them is why they get more votes. That's not over-representation, it's a reflection of their essential popularity. You could say that this means they are populist - fine; it's what beard-stroking 'true' fans have been saying to dismiss popular culture since the days of the jazz fanatics.

 

Most people vote for Nintendo games because they craft extremely well-thought out games that not only are enjoyable to play, they are honed to absolute perfection. Other people do that; that they don't get the same number of votes doesn't mean we think they're shit - I bet every one who voted for Nintendo games also voted for Sega, Midway, Treasure, Capcom, Cave and the rest. As well as for independents and auteurs.

 

While I agree that Nintendo are one of the best at streamlining and polishing a genre to an immaculate state they haven’t been at the forefront of developing and pushing the boundaries of where videogames are headed since the Snes/N64 eras.  

 

They continuously polish their own work or streamline and polish others with BOTW but I like developers are consistently creating new experiences and not just refreshing the old. Nintendo games can provide a warm comforting feeling, the sense of familiarity and nostalgia which is why they are still popular in gaming circles (although because of this becoming more insignificant with new generations of gamers). 

 

I’d say that something being popular is the very definition of over representation, in effect taking attention away from others which equally deserve recognition.

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4 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

They continuously polish their own work or streamline and polish others with BOTW but I like developers are consistently creating new experiences and not just refreshing the old.

 

Out of interest, which developers are consistently creating new experiences?

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@Oh Danny Boy

 

I think you underestimate - or at least undervalue - the creativity involved in what Nintendo do, and dismiss some true design genius as 'familiarity and nostalgia'. They innovate on hardware (remember the Wii and the 'me-too' nature of Sony and MSs response?; lensless 3D on mobile devices?) and BOTW is simply stunning games design, blowing companies like Ubi - who have been polishing their 'open-world' gameplay for a decade at least - out of the water.

 

You're being elitist. Nintendo deserved every place they got.

 

8 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

I’d say that something being popular is the very definition of over representation, in effect taking attention away from others which equally deserve recognition.

 

No, over-representation would be where their dominance is not earned. They earned this - they do so not by chasing the easy market solution, but by looking for the blue water.

 

If you were to argue that the list as a whole could have made more room for smaller teams, then maybe you'd have a point. Picking out Nintendo on their own? Nah.

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1 hour ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

See I can’t afford any modern gaming systems, doesn’t mean I like games any less.

 

Nintendo games are definitely over represented. Sega, Midway, Treasure, Capcom, Cave, Konami, Hudson, SNK, Taito, Namco etc have created games that are up there with the best games ever but are horribly under represented on the list (if represented at all). I’d have expected more representation of these developers on a gaming forum. 

 

You have confused your own held beliefs and opinions with what the general populace of the gaming community think, check out any poll ever about the best games and the results are similar - same for review scores aggregators etc.

 

What games did you vote for that were not in the list? Any poll ever regardless of its arena is only a snapshot of the people that voted - popular games will generally do better because more people have played them and therefore vote for them.

 

Your view on Nintendo is laughable esp when you compare them to a list of companies that either don’t exist anymore or if they do are a shadow of their popular selves - what does that tell you about the decling interest in Nintendo games?

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1 hour ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

I disagree, I think that true gaming classics are ageless. Games that are still ahead of their time and the mechanics are so flawless that nothing that comes afterwards can take anything away from it. I think those going back to the Snes mini are noticing that true gaming gems like Mario World, Link to the Past and Secret of Mana play and feel as forward thinking today as they did 25yrs ago. Link to the Past and Mario World I’d argue have aged and play much better than any of their subsequent sequels ever have.

 

Surely that's a contradiction in terms, though? A game that was "ahead of its time" when it came out suggests that "its time" has since caught up with the game and has built upon and improved its mechanics, which is what has happened with Super Mario World and LttP (I've yet to play Secret of Mana so can't comment on it). Your view of these games, understandably, is biased by your own nostalgia, but imagine if you'd never played those games and someone gave you a choice between SMW or Odyssey, or LttP and BotW, or Super Mario Kart and MK8, or Robotron and Nex Machina - I don't think it's too much of a generalisation to say that the newer game would always win out.

 

I'm too young to have experienced the SNES in its heyday, so I'm in the rare position of being able to come to these games now on the SNES mini without being encumbered (if that's the right word) by nostalgic bias, and although I've only completed SMW and Yoshi's Island on it so far, I didn't find either game especially fun, even if I could appreciate their significance. It may sound sacrilegious, but looking back at the other games I've completed this year, I can honestly say that I enjoyed Ratchet and Clank on the PS4 more than I did SMW, and Gucamelee! more than Super Metroid, despite knowing full well that, in both examples, the former games wouldn't exist if it weren't for the latter (admittedly, however, I am going to go back to try Super Metroid again).

 

For me, games definitely have a sort of "play-by" date which seems to last for a generation or two before expiring, so while I could happily still play through a Wii or 360 game I hadn't played before, I think I'd struggle now to try a GC or PS2 game without the cushion of nostalgia, and I wouldn't even bother with an N64 or PSX game that I hadn't previously enjoyed. It's a great shame, really, when I think of all the truly brilliant games that I missed and which I'll never really be able to enjoy now as much as those people who played them at the time. This is why I think the recent trend of remasters or modernisations of classic older games, 2 or 3 generations old, is generally a good thing. Things like being able to skip random battles or speed up time in the recent remasters of the PS1 and 2 FF games, for example, make them a lot more palatable to people who have never played them before.

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What was that game that Smitty was always banging on about?  It was a 3rd person modern day shooter and it was about the horrors of war and your character slowly became complicit in war crimes by the end of the game?

 

I realise it can't be that good if I can't even remember the name of it but I'm mildly surprised that it didn't make a top 100 list like this.  The visuals, audio and immersion of that game stay with me to this day.  Immense and revolutionary (to me anyway!).

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What was that game that Smitty was always banging on about?  It was a 3rd person modern day shooter and it was about the horrors of war and your character slowly became complicit in war crimes by the end of the game?

 

I realise it can't be that good if I can't even remember the name of it but I'm mildly surprised that it didn't make a top 100 list like this.  The visuals, audio and immersion of that game stay with me to this day.  Immense and revolutionary (to me anyway!).

Spec Ops: The Line. And he's right, it was great.

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What was that game that Smitty was always banging on about?  It was a 3rd person modern day shooter and it was about the horrors of war and your character slowly became complicit in war crimes by the end of the game?

 

I realise it can't be that good if I can't even remember the name of it but I'm mildly surprised that it didn't make a top 100 list like this.  The visuals, audio and immersion of that game stay with me to this day.  Immense and revolutionary (to me anyway!).

 

Spec Ops The Line.

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41 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

For me, games definitely have a sort of "play-by" date which seems to last for a generation or two before expiring, so while I could happily still play through a Wii or 360 game I hadn't played before, I think I'd struggle now to try a GC or PS2 game without the cushion of nostalgia, and I wouldn't even bother with an N64 or PSX game that I hadn't previously enjoyed. It's a great shame, really, when I think of all the truly brilliant games that I missed and which I'll never really be able to enjoy now as much as those people who played them at the time. This is why I think the recent trend of remasters or modernisations of classic older games, 2 or 3 generations old, is generally a good thing. Things like being able to skip random battles or speed up time in the recent remasters of the PS1 and 2 FF games, for example, make them a lot more palatable to people who have never played them before.

 

I think different people have different tolerances - I've never liked the "judge a game based on the gaming climate at the time" philosophy because there are numerous games I've discovered years after release that I've had lots of fun with. The ones that I don't enjoy?...well, they were probably always rubbish. :) That being said, I agree that a lot of 5th-gen (Saturn, PSX) and early 6th gen (DC, PS2) games can be difficult to enjoy simply because the technology couldn't fulfil the vision and we had janky polygons, draw distance fog, pop-up, wonky cameras and the like.

 

(EDIT: what the fuck, Hotline Miami wasn't even in the top 200?)

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18 minutes ago, Qazimod said:

(EDIT: what the fuck, Hotline Miami wasn't even in the top 200?)

 

This place has apparently over 11,000 members, if mandatory voting was required, the results might have been very different.

 

An interesting list, no obvious weird selections in the Top 100, you can see the genres favoured by the voters. Strategy games clearly aren't much liked, with only 3 making the cut, and only one of them is of the hardcore PC type, with the other 2 being more console flavoured, both of which are indeed classics of the TBS genre.

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1 hour ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

While I agree that Nintendo are one of the best at streamlining and polishing a genre to an immaculate state they haven’t been at the forefront of developing and pushing the boundaries of where videogames are headed since the Snes/N64 eras.  

 

They continuously polish their own work or streamline and polish others with BOTW but I like developers are consistently creating new experiences and not just refreshing the old. Nintendo games can provide a warm comforting feeling, the sense of familiarity and nostalgia which is why they are still popular in gaming circles (although because of this becoming more insignificant with new generations of gamers). 

 

I’d say that something being popular is the very definition of over representation, in effect taking attention away from others which equally deserve recognition.

Have you played Breath of The Wild? 

 

As for having not "been at the forefront of developing and pushing the boundaries of where videogames are headed since the Snes/N64 eras. "

 

You've chosen  just about the worst time to make these kinds of assumptions.

 

BoTW redefines the open world genre, and is nothing like all the other Zeldas after the first NES game. ARMS is innovative in the fighting game field, way more than any other developer. Mario once again looks like it has more creativity in it's little finger than most other developers produce their entire career. 

 

And what about Wii Sports, and motion controls etc? I mean they've hardly rested on their laurels at any point since the GameCube era really. Not everything has been successful but both hardware and software has constantly done new things.

 

Add to that their huge legacy of software much of which still stands up today, I'm not really sure where you're coming from.

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1 hour ago, Qazimod said:

@Benny is there any data available on best games by year? We might as well get the 2016 GOTY poll while we're here ( :wub: you really @Wiper )

 

I might do a top 100 games entries per year. That way we can see what the best year of games was once and for all.

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50 minutes ago, mdn2 said:

@Benny, do you have a WiiU? I have a copy of BotW you can have for all your hard work if you want it. 

 

Don't worry, I'm not mental. I have the Switch version as well.

 

Unfortunately not, no. I've now figured seeing as I never had one I might as well go straight to a Switch when I can get round to it too. WiiUs are surprisingly hard to find.

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1 hour ago, Jazz Glands said:

If you're up for selling that Wii U copy I'd be interested @mdn2 :) This talk about best game ever has piqued my interest!

How about: pay as a donor or supporter to the forum and you can have it. And when you're done with it do the same for someone else.

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