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6 hours ago, futureshock said:

I'd love to know what heinous thing you've done in a past life that makes you this vocal. Yikes.

 

That's the thing, it's sadly all rather normal rather than particularly heinous. It's hard to pinpoint all the advantages and imbalances I've been part of, but there must be loads.

 

I've certainly been overpaid compared to women I've worked with, and over promoted, this sort of thing leads to an imbalance at places I've worked. In terms of sexual behaviour me and my friends in my early teenage years were pretty awful toward girls our age, and we could get away with acting how we wanted whilst they were under all these weird pressures we never were.

 

I do get what you mean about some people espousing feminism to relieve themselves of guilt - that must go on to an extent. But I'd also be a bit suspicious of people keeping quiet, pretending they have never done anything wrong, or have the reflexive #notallmen reaction. All the men I know have done stuff in the past, whether they recognise it or not, or whether it's a big or small thing. 

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6 minutes ago, grindmouse said:

This is such an oversimplification - it demonstrates incredible tunnel vision to view society only in this way. We live in a clusterfuck of imbalances.

 

Where did I say that this is the only imbalance in society? Only a moron would think that. But the gender issue is a huge, undeniable, imbalance. 

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The Ellen Page stuff today is a bit different because it was said in front of so many people. I guess if people have enough power, they think they can be that bold.

 

Interesting that he hasn't denied it though. I guess it's difficult with other witnesses there and one has already corroborated the story. 

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1 hour ago, SeanR said:

 

they are going one bigger

 

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-da-sexual-task-force-prosecutors-20171109-story.html

 

this bit is interesting

 

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“In the case of Corey Feldman, unfortunately according to California law the alleged occurrence is out of statute, and Robbery-Homicide detectives have no other avenues to pursue this case,” said LAPD spokesman Officer Sal Ramirez. “However,the LAPD applauds Mr. Feldman for coming forward, as an out-of-statute assault report could potentially bolster any current and forthcoming case as it creates a pattern of behavior.”

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Star Trek icon George Takei has respond to an accusation of sexual assault made against him by a former model and actor who alleged an incident at Takei’s home in 1981. In a series of tweets this morning, Takei writes that the events “simply did not occur.” He adds that he does not remember Scott R. Brunton, who made the allegations in a THR interview which ran on Friday. “I am as shocked and bewildered at these claims as you must feel reading them,” Takei continues to his 2.79M followers.

 

 

 

 

http://deadline.com/2017/11/george-takei-reponse-sexual-assault-allegation-twitter-1202206322/

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The whole statute of limitations thing is something I hadn't considered. In California:

 

Felonies: 6 years for murder and other capital offenses; 3 years for lower-level felonies.

Misdemeanors: 1 year for most misdemeanors; 3 years for misdemeanors committed against minors under the age of 14

When Statute Tolls: There is a maximum extension of 3 years if a suspect leaves the state.

 

As a sexual predator that must be so empowering? You don't have to sit with the threat of police hanging over you forever; I've had jobs longer than they've had to work to keep people's mouths shut.

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17 hours ago, futureshock said:

 

"I'm a piece of shit" is probably his most repeated line. I'm not arguing that, and neither is he. It's still not assault.

 

If you’re going to work this hard to defend the actions of a creepy pervert you don’t know you could probably remove the inverted commas and start working towards it being your most repeated line.

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15 hours ago, grindmouse said:

@futureshock Louis CK has obviously abused his power in the industry to enact a weird fetish on his co-workers. That's a fact now, and we all agree on it.

There are other valid points of discussion to be had about this case and the others being exposed, but as you're discovering - there's no point trying to engage with this forum about it.

Not if one of the points you're arguing about is whether these acts were consensual, when the perpetrator himself admitted they weren't, no, there isn't.

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21 hours ago, futureshock said:

 

I'm saying it's never a surprise when you see somebody become 'born again' so to speak - you only have to look at their past to see what they're trying to make amends for.

 

I think some of the posts that @futureshock has made has been pretty useful and illuminating in some respects.

 

I'll narrow it down to two points.

 

1. Reading his posts it gives me a horrible feeling that Louis C K's weak apology is going to work with most people who are dying to find a way to enjoy his shows again without guilt. I've seen these views elsewhere that what he did isn't assualt and "besides they stuck around." If you haven't been the victim of sexual assualt sure, some of this seems completely alien.

 

2. And this is why I've chosen this quote. There's been a big problem in the liberal left community when it comes to feminism in talking the talk and not walking the walk when it comes to our favourites. We seem to be totally fine with throwing women under the bus when it comes to men we like. At least until this weak. And it's been pretty telling to see some male allies suddenly going "um wait a minute" now that men are facing consequences. While it's cynical to believe all "woke" allies are hiding something there's been a pattern for DECADES of men in public supporting women and behind the scenes completely fucking them over.

 

Let's not forget that until a couple of days ago Louis was completely fine with insinuating that the women who made complaints against him were liars. And at least one of them had her career in comedy completely destroyed. She's not coming back.

 

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This sums things up neatly.

 

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/tear-down-the-boys-club-that-protected-louis-ck.html

 



Sexual harassment is one of many tools heterosexual men use to remind other comics that our status is provisional. We’re not equals. We’re not colleagues. We’re flavors, we’re different, we’re people who should quietly accept whatever creepiness is presented to us. Mostly, these tools remind us that our status as real comics is provisional. We understand that if we question the rules of the table, if we say there aren’t enough women getting stage time, or that maybe they shouldn’t use that word, or even just that Kesha is more talented than Springsteen, we’ll be expelled.

Louis, of course, sexually harassed numerous comics. He was not expelled. When managers, club owners, and comics became aware that he was assaulting comics, they did not say, “Hey, let’s figure out what’s going on,” or “He might be a threat to the other comics.” They protected him. They made the problem go away. They kicked Megan Beth Koester out of the Montreal Just for Laughs festival.

That’s because Louis’s behavior didn’t hurt the system. It maintained the system. It alienated women from careers in comedy and allowed everyone to continue to live in a world where they could believe that the table, the Official Council of American Funny, was a place only straight men were worthy of reaching. Louis C.K. once said during a Daily Show appearance, “Comedians and feminists … are natural enemies.” The table doesn’t have any space for comedians who are feminists.

 

We don’t need a female comic with provisional status at the table. We don’t need the table to find the trans comic who’s least offensive to them and kind of learn his name. It will still perpetuate a system that privileges and protects the perspective of straight cis men. The table is the problem. Burn the table down.

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I guess this guy counts as a celebrity nowadays.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/

 



Yet let us not forget the sex crimes of which the younger, stronger Bill Clinton was very credibly accused in the 1990s. Juanita Broaddrick reported that when she was a volunteer on one of his gubernatorial campaigns, she had arranged to meet him in a hotel coffee shop. At the last minute, he had changed the location to her room in the hotel, where she says he very violently raped her. She said she fought against Clinton throughout a rape that left her bloodied. At a different Arkansas hotel, he caught sight of a minor state employee named Paula Jones, and, Jones says, he sent a couple of state troopers to invite her to his suite, where he exposed his penis to her and told her to kiss it. Kathleen Willey said that she met him in the Oval Office for personal and professional advice and that he groped her, rubbed his erect penis on her, and pushed her hand to his crotch.

It was a pattern of behavior; it included an alleged violent assault; the women involved had far more credible evidence than many of the most notorious accusations that have come to light in the past five weeks...

 

The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton. The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles. The party was on the wrong side of history and there are consequences for that. Yet expedience is not the only reason to make this public accounting. If it is possible for politics and moral behavior to coexist, then this grave wrong needs to be acknowledged. If Weinstein and Mark Halperin and Louis C.K. and all the rest can be held accountable, so can our former president and so can his party, which so many Americans so desperately need to rise again.

 

Fiat justitia ruat cælum.

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Bill & Hillary are both scum, like most politicians who have a degree of power. Did everyone forget the Lewinsky scandal? Or the wiretapping of an entire nation - and thats barely scratching the surface. Hillary hides behind a sweet smiling facade but tear that back and she's as nasty, selfish, irresponsible and corrupt as the rest of them.

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https://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-has-fired-editor-eddie-berganza-over-claims-of-sexua-1820404176?IR=T

 



Over the weekend, DC Comics suspended group editor Eddie Berganza after BuzzFeed published a report with interviews from multiple women accusing Berganza of having sexually harassed them while working for the comics publisher. Today, DC announced that it had officially let Berganza go.

According to BuzzFeed, DC put out a statement insisting that they were “committed to eradicating harassment,” echoing a similar sentiment they put out over the weekend.

Said DC:

“Warner Bros and DC Entertainment have terminated the employment of DC Comics Group Editor Eddie Berganza. We are committed to eradicating harassment and ensuring that all employees, as well as our freelance community, are aware of our policies, are comfortable reporting any concerns and feel supported by our Company.”

Berganza’s suspension and subsequent firing from DC came after years of multiple publications reporting on numerous instances of people from within the industry speaking out publicly against him and DC for choosing to continue his employment. In the BuzzFeed report, multiple former DC employees described having brought their complaints to the company’s HR department, only for their concerns to be seemingly ignored and/or dismissed while Berganza remained employed.

 

This had been going on for years with many people leaving DC (or flat out refusing job offers) because of his actions.

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Also here's a list of high profile men accused of sexual harrassment and / or assualt and the fallout resulting from that.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/10/us/men-accused-sexual-misconduct-weinstein.html

 

Note: The list includes only accusations of sexual misconduct that were made against men in the United States, that were made since The New York Times published its investigation into Harvey Weinstein on Oct. 5, and after which there has been public fallout, like a resignation or an inquiry. The dates in the table indicate when news broke of accusations against each man.

 

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10 minutes ago, Unofficial Who said:

Also here's a list of high profile men accused of sexual harrassment and / or assualt and the fallout resulting from that.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/10/us/men-accused-sexual-misconduct-weinstein.html

 

Note: The list includes only accusations of sexual misconduct that were made against men in the United States, that were made since The New York Times published its investigation into Harvey Weinstein on Oct. 5, and after which there has been public fallout, like a resignation or an inquiry. The dates in the table indicate when news broke of accusations against each man.

 

(too long to quote here.)

 

Interesting. Though it seems some names are there because they simply commented on the attractiveness of a coworker.

 

There's a big difference in someone hitting on someone else (this is coming from someone who often gets unwarranted attention from women/men (including butt/penis grabbing (of course being male I have to laugh it off)) compared to raping people.

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32 minutes ago, buizel said:

 

Interesting. Though it seems some names are there because they simply commented on the attractiveness of a coworker.

 

There's a big difference in someone hitting on someone else (this is coming from someone who often gets unwarranted attention from women/men (including butt/penis grabbing (of course being male I have to laugh it off)) compared to raping people.

 

I think things are changing on that front. Dick grabbing is totally assualt.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/terry-crews-police-report-allegedly-groped-los-angeles-harvey-weinstein-executive-a8045236.html

 

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Terry Crews has filed a report with the Los Angeles Police Department, after publicly alleging he was groped by an entertainment executive....Crews, who stated that he shared the story to "deter predators" and provide hope for others in similar situations, said that after the incident, he understood why women don't speak up when they're harassed.

 

I work in a pretty liberal workplace but as free and open as we are anyone grabbing someone else's body parts without their consent would be escorted from the building same day.

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27 minutes ago, Unofficial Who said:

 

I think things are changing on that front. Dick grabbing is totally assualt.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/terry-crews-police-report-allegedly-groped-los-angeles-harvey-weinstein-executive-a8045236.html

 

 

 

 

I work in the arts and as liberal and as free and open as we are anyone grabbing someone else's body parts without their consent would be escorted from the building same day.

 

Yeah I know it is, was at a Casino playing 21 in Aberdeen recently, and a man grabbed and squeezed my crotch  (over my jeans) at the table I was at - must've been a power play. I called him out at the moment it happened and people just looked weird at me and the dealer didn't respond. I left at that moment and told the Cashier who said "Well what do you want us to do?". I was kinda stunned thinking "Well kick the dude out" but I just kinda sharp walked out in embarrassment cause my voice and person was v shaky.

 

I'm sure things are improving but really my faith in humanity just gets worse and worse every day.

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21 hours ago, buizel said:

 

Yeah I know it is, was at a Casino playing 21 in Aberdeen recently, and a man grabbed and squeezed my crotch  (over my jeans) at the table I was at - must've been a power play. I called him out at the moment it happened and people just looked weird at me and the dealer didn't respond. I left at that moment and told the Cashier who said "Well what do you want us to do?". I was kinda stunned thinking "Well kick the dude out" but I just kinda sharp walked out in embarrassment cause my voice and person was v shaky.

 

I'm sure things are improving but really my faith in humanity just gets worse and worse every day.

Which Casino? 

 

I cant imagine just grabbing someones crotch

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