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Does anyone else just have moments of being overwhelmed by how sad it is that all these people, mostly but not exclusively women, have kept these incidents secret for so long? I don't even know many of these US and Australian TV figures, but instead of shock I'm habituating to sadness. That sense of stigma and shame is so powerful at silencing people, and yet once you break the seal with celebs speaking up about Weinstein there is a whole avalanche of stories people are willing to tell. I keep saying it, but I hope that this marks a watershed moment, after which people are more able to speak up, and systems are put in place to act on such disclosures at every level.

 

And it really is at every level. Just as gamergate was the precursor to Trump and Brexit, so we've got echoes of the themes of sexism and harassment in social media (that disproportionately affect women and people of colour) and even on the forum - though I'd like to think we are a little ahead of the curve in addressing them here.

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3 minutes ago, geekette said:

Does anyone else just have moments of being overwhelmed by how sad it is that all these people, mostly but not exclusively women, have kept these incidents secret for so long? I don't even know many of these US and Australian TV figures, but instead of shock I'm habituating to sadness.

 

I'm flipping between exhilaration that they're being called out and severe anxierty / depression that there are so many men that have impacted so many lives for decades.

 

500 complaints about 62 public people. (They went with Don Burke first because they had the most complaints about him.)

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But for every public person there will be another hundred private individuals doing the same in businesses, and as landlords, and in other positions of power. And that's before we consider domestic abuse within households, and the sexual assaults that occur in social/dating situations such as at universities, sports clubs, night clubs and bars. The scale of the problem is pretty depressing. I've just got to keep reminding myself that the problem already existed before we knew about it in this way, and seeing it is the first step to solving it.

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It's depressing how widespread sexual abuse is. I was having a discussion with a friend who deals with abuse and she mentioned that one in three families have members who have been sexually abused, either by a member of the family or someone connected. That's a pretty fucking depressing statistic if it's actually true.

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Matt Lauer is a real piece of shit althought that was obvious after what he did to get rid of Ann Curry

 

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassment-multiple-women-1202625959/

 



As the co-host of NBC’s “Today,” Matt Lauer once gave a colleague a sex toy as a present. It included an explicit note about how he wanted to use it on her, which left her mortified.

On another day, he summoned a different female employee to his office, and then dropped his pants, showing her his penis. After the employee declined to do anything, visibly shaken, he reprimanded her for not engaging in a sexual act.

He would sometimes quiz female producers about who they’d slept with, offering to trade names. And he loved to engage in a crass quiz game with men and women in the office: “fuck, marry or kill,” in which he would identify the female co-hosts that he’d most like to sleep with.

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How the fuck do you even submit a request like that to your premises / operations / maintenance department? What's the business case for having a button on your desk to lock the doors, and what form do you have to complete to start the process?

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1 hour ago, K said:

How the fuck do you even submit a request like that to your premises / operations / maintenance department? What's the business case for having a button on your desk to lock the doors, and what form do you have to complete to start the process?

 

I know right? There's structural sexism and then there's actual structural sexism! If anything happened in that office and that door prevented escape they're going to be sued into tomorrow.

 

Today's falling star, Garrison Keillor. Star of A Prairie Home Companion. (It's a folk radio thing that's been running since 1974, Keillor left it in 2016.)

 

So how bad can it be?

 

Well A Prairie Home Companion is the most valuable and beloved drawcard for Minnesota Public Radio (MPR).

 

And for some reason MPR have decided to completely burn it down and salt the earth.

 

https://www.mpr.org/press/2017/11/29/statement-from-minnesota-public-radio-regarding-garrison-keillor-and-a-prairie-home-compa

 



ST. PAUL, Minn. - Minnesota Public Radio (MPR) is terminating its contracts with Garrison Keillor and his private media companies after recently learning of allegations of his inappropriate behavior with an individual who worked with him.

Last month, MPR was notified of the allegations which relate to Mr. Keillor's conduct while he was responsible for the production of A Prairie Home Companion (APHC). MPR President Jon McTaggart immediately informed the MPR Board Chair, and a special Board committee was appointed to provide oversight and ongoing counsel. In addition, MPR retained an outside law firm to conduct an independent investigation of the allegations. Based on what we currently know, there are no similar allegations involving other staff. The attorney leading the independent investigation has been conducting interviews and reviewing documents, and the investigation is still ongoing. We encourage anyone with additional information to call our confidential hotline 1-877-767-7781.

MPR takes these allegations seriously and we are committed to maintaining a safe, respectful and supportive work environment for all employees and everyone associated with MPR. We want a workplace where anyone who experiences unwanted behavior feels comfortable in reporting concerns to MPR. Discrimination, harassment, retaliation or other inappropriate behaviors will not be tolerated.

MPR will end its business relationships with Mr. Keillor's media companies effective immediately. By terminating the contracts, MPR and American Public Media (APM) will:

* end distribution and broadcast of The Writer's Almanac and rebroadcasts of The Best of A Prairie Home Companion hosted by Garrison Keillor;

* change the name of APM's weekly music and variety program hosted by Chris Thile; and,

* separate from the Pretty Good Goods online catalog and the PrairieHome.org website.

MPR and APM will work closely with public radio stations to help make the programming transitions as seamless as possible.

 

In response

Mr. Keillor, 75, said he was fired over “a story that I think is more interesting and more complicated than the version M.P.R. heard,” according to The Associated Press.

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Film producer forced into hiding after he is wrongly branded a paedophile

 

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A Bafta-nominated film producer has been forced into hiding after he was falsely branded a "paedophile" in a smear campaign.

Frank McGowan said he has been left fearing for his safety following the campaign that made wrongful accusations against him and was picked up by an online vigilante group.

 

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6 hours ago, K said:

How the fuck do you even submit a request like that to your premises / operations / maintenance department? What's the business case for having a button on your desk to lock the doors, and what form do you have to complete to start the process?

 

Panic room clause, perhaps. You could deflect it by mandating that it only locks from the outside, but I suppose that in order for this to occur to you, you'd have to think your employees were monsters.

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There's just too many to keep up with now.

 

A couple more women have come out with complaints about Al Franken

 

http://www.startribune.com/sen-al-franken-senate-ethics-panel-opens-inquiry-amid-new-call-to-resign/461001713/

 



WASHINGTON – The Senate Ethics Committee formally launched an investigation into Sen. Al Franken on Thursday, hours after another woman said the Minnesota senator groped her.

As allegations mounted against Franken, several fellow Democratic members of Congress said Thursday that he should resign. Rep. Joe Crowley of New York, the chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, and Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio said separately that it’s time for Franken to go.

“These are credible allegations, and I believe these women,” Ryan tweeted, in reference to allegations against both Franken and U.S. Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, also a Democrat. Franken so far has resisted calls to resign, instead supporting the Ethics Committee investigation.

“While the Committee does not generally comment on pending matters or matters that may come before it, in this instance, the Committee is publicly confirming that it has opened a preliminary inquiry into Senator Franken’s alleged misconduct,” read a letter from the six-member Ethics Committee, comprised of three Republicans and three Democrats.

 

So that's him done.

 

Then there's the rather grim story of playwright Israel Horovitz. (content warning for the link)

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/theater/israel-horovitz-sexual-misconduct.html

 



Inspired by the revelations about Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K. and others, a total of nine women have come forward publicly for the first time to describe a pattern of sexual abuse and violations of trust by a man they considered a mentor and friend. Mr. Horovitz is an award-winning author of more than 70 plays, including “The Indian Wants the Bronx” (starring Al Pacino in 1968); “Park Your Car in Harvard Yard” (on Broadway in 1991); and “Out of the Mouths of Babes,” which ran Off Broadway last year.

Over his five-decade career, Mr. Horovitz has been an influential player in the theater world. As the founding artistic director of Gloucester Stage, a respected regional theater that called itself a “safe harbor for playwrights,” and as an Obie-winning writer whose work was produced frequently in New York and Paris, he has had the power to offer roles, jobs or a helping hand to generations of actors.

 

I'll spare you the details from the link but this is anger inducing.



Mr. Horovitz’s behavior around women had long been the subject of whispers. But since at least 1993, Gloucester Stage officials had known it was more than mere speculation: that year, Mr. Horovitz was the subject of an exposé in The Boston Phoenix in which 10 women accused him of sexual harassment and assault. The women’s names were not disclosed in the article. At the time the board’s president, Barry Weiner, dismissed the accusations and described some of the women speaking out against Mr. Horovitz as “tightly wound.”

 

Israel has responded with this old chestnut

In response to questions this week, Mr. Horovitz, 78, told The New York Times that while he has “a different memory of some of these events, I apologize with all my heart to any woman who has ever felt compromised by my actions, and to my family and friends who have put their trust in me. To hear that I have caused pain is profoundly upsetting, as is the idea that I might have crossed a line with anyone who considered me a mentor.”

 

His son Adam Horovitz (yes, of Beastie Boys fame) has responded with

“I believe the allegations against my father are true, and I stand behind the women that made them.”

 

Grim stuff. I've had to take a break from reading all the new allegations that have surfaced as it feels overwhelming at this stage.

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On 29/11/2017 at 17:11, strider said:

It's depressing how widespread sexual abuse is. I was having a discussion with a friend who deals with abuse and she mentioned that one in three families have members who have been sexually abused, either by a member of the family or someone connected. That's a pretty fucking depressing statistic if it's actually true.

The figures I know are that one in 20 children have been sexually abused according to crime statistics, but one in four girls and one in twelve boys have been sexually assaulted when they are asked on surveys. 

 

The incidence of sexual assault or harassment of adult women is also high - about 20% of women have experienced a sexual assault, and the vast majority of women have experienced unwanted approaches or sexual contact, many of which are legally assaults, but the women involved haven't considered serious or unusual enough to report because it is so normalised.

 

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Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 rapes (of adults alone) every hour. These figures include assaults by penetration and attempts.

Nearly half a million adults are sexually assaulted in England and Wales each year

1 in 5 women aged 16 - 59 has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16

Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence choose to report to the police, and less than 6% of reported rapes result in a conviction.

Approximately 90% of those who are raped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

Source

 

Or in the USA:

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Every 98 seconds, an American is sexually assaulted. And every 8 minutes, that victim is a child. Meanwhile, only 6 out of every 1,000 perpetrators will end up in prison.

 

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On 04/12/2017 at 01:27, deerokus said:

The agent who sexually assaulted Terry Crews is back in his job already. Ffs. 

 

https://www.bet.com/celebrities/news/2017/11/30/terry-crews.html

Terry Crews is quite an interesting guy really, because he has always been willing to state an unpopular truth. Raising issues around medical care in the NFL (over-prescribing, and disregarding the seriousness of concussion). Then speaking about his pornography addiction. Then having been sexually assaulted. I find him a bit OTT at times, and a bit religious for my tastes, but I think that is pretty admirable.

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7 hours ago, Harsin said:

"If you’ve given no evidence to show it didn’t [happen,]" How does that work? 

 

All of this stuff is basically he said she said anyway followed by a conviction in a trial by (social) media. Doesn't the burden of proof lie with the accuser? (Has there been evidence that I've missed or?)

 

Disclaimer: That's not saying I believe Hoffman to be innocent but anyone can point the finger to someone and ruin their life if they wanted to. Look at what happened on this very forum recently, just for "shits and giggles". 

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If it's just one allegation it's incredibly hard even with DNA evidence frankly.

 

However once there's several women, all unrelated over years telling the same story you can build a pattern that tends to indicate abuse. Others are better at explaining this sort of thing than I am.

 

The reason why serial abusers tend to get away with harrassment and worse over years and decades is the the survivor in most cases is isolated. And if you think you're alone then you tend to feel like you won't be believed or that you'll get crushed by defamation action or other actions.

 

I've loved Dustin Hoffman in many things and was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt but have a listen to that John Oliver exchange. He essentially says he apologised over one case just to make it go away and the use of the word "if" kind of lets everyone know it's a little nebulous. (0.20 on in the interview.)

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He pretty much accepts that he did ask about sexual activity, put his hand on an intern's leg and generally participate in the culture of the time, whilst being defensive about that being in any way wrong and trying to throw doubt on the allegations by asking why they were so delayed (when it was clear that the culture at the time would not have allowed it to be raised, and the power differential was so marked that the intern had to apologise for being upset at his unwanted advances at the time). Couple that with three women making allegations against him, and I think John Oliver was making a reasonable point, even if his wording about the burden of proof wasn't right.

 

I find it fascinating that someone could watch that exchange, read that article, know the context and still see the millionaire movie star as the victim and want to speak up for him.

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Can't seem to work out who this blind is about. It's really vague and gives no clues at all... cough cough

 

 

[Blind Gossip] This Singer is in the middle of a big film project. However, he keeps “disappearing” due to a “health problem.”

Ha ha.

Let’s talk about his real problem.

His problem is the decades long, systematic sexual abuse of young boys in the entertainment industry.

If he is having any sort of a “health problem”, it should be a chronic panic attack over the fact that karma and the law are catching up to our mercurial director. About time, right?

Look for him to get replaced on this project soon.

By the way, this Singer is much more likely to direct a musical than to perform in one.

 

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http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-sacks-actor-danny-masterson-amid-sexual-assault-allegations-20171205-gzzh7d.html

 

Another one bites the dust.

 



Actor Danny Masterson has been fired from the Netflix comedy The Ranch in the wake of multiple allegations of sexual assault.

The case is unusual in that it has taken Netflix nine months to respond to the accusations, which were made public in March.

"As a result of ongoing discussions Netflix and the producers have written Danny Masterson out of The Ranch," Netflix said in a statement. "Production will resume in early 2018 without him."

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Though the LAPD has not commented publicly on the case, it is believed that investigation is ongoing.

One of Masterson's accusers first made her claim in 2004 but at the time the Church of Scientology - of which Masterson is a member - submitted more than 50 statements from church members denying the woman's account of events.

That accusation, and at least three others, resurfaced in March when the LAPD began investigating the case, though the streaming platform Netflix, which employed Masterson, took no action at the time.

The case took an unusual turn this week, however, when one of Masterson's accusers approached a Netflix executive at a children's sporting event in Los Angeles and asked why, despite Netflix's quick action on Kevin Spacey, no action had been taken against Masterson.

The executive, Andy Yeatman, responded that Netflix took sexual misconduct allegations seriously but that "we don't believe them", referring to the four woman who have accused Masterson of rape.

To put Yeatman's remarks in context, he is Netflix's director of global kids content, and does not work in a role where the Masterston case would have any professional relevance.

Yeatman was also unaware, when he made the remarks, that the woman was one of Masterson's accusers.

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Masterson has vigorously denied the charges, today issuing a statement saying he was "disappointed" by the action taken by Netflix.

"From day one I have denied the outrageous allegations against me," Masterson said.

"Law enforcement investigated these claims more than 15 years ago and determined them to be without merit. I have never been charged with a crime, let alone convicted of one."

The 41-year-old actor also took aim at the "current climate", referring to the wave of sexual harassment accusations which have followed the Harvey Weinstein sexual harassment case.

"In this country, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty, however, in the current climate it seems as if you are presumed guilty the moment you are accused," Masterson said.

"I understand and look forward to clearing my name once and for all."

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On ‎01‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 16:11, geekette said:

Paul Ryan there thinking two Democrats should go after allegations of groping, whilst Trump can stay as president despite many more and much worse. No party loyalty or dual standards on show there.

 

Huff Post article said he was avoidant when challenged about this hypocrisy.

Hes not wrong though sadly.

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