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5 minutes ago, Protocol Penguin said:

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Are the Irish-sounding people Hobbits?

 

In episode 3, we’re the orcs(?) building the area around what becomes Christopher Lee’s tower?

(NB I’ve watched the LotR film trilogy, but never read the books. So I’m not clued up on this. Enjoying the new series so far, mostly, though!)

 

I think the Harfoots are ancestors of the Hobbits. One of them is called Brandyfoot, like Brandybuck in the trilogy.

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22 minutes ago, Protocol Penguin said:

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Are the Irish-sounding people Hobbits?

 

In episode 3, we’re the orcs(?) building the area around what becomes Christopher Lee’s tower?

(NB I’ve watched the LotR film trilogy, but never read the books. So I’m not clued up on this. Enjoying the new series so far, mostly, though!)

 

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The area they're digging up is what becomes Mordor

 

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Well, I only just got round to watching the first episode of this but I’m really surprised to see such a positive reaction. I thought it was pretty bad. It’s got nice effects (though I think foundation has maybe already blown my mind with what’s possible on modern TV budgets), but it’s sorely lacking a POV character in the first episode.

 

The jumping around between a bunch of characters without giving me much reason to care about any of them did very little to get me invested. The dialogue is clunky and so expositional. The narration at the start felt like it was never going to end. Everyone is just describing what’s happening but nobody except Elrond seems to have very much personality. 
 

It did feel like mostly setup, so maybe it will get a bit more focused in the next one. But I feel like they really should have just picked someone, preferably Galadriel, and focused on them instead of throwing out so many characters. The hobbits are awful. Despite not being based on the silmarillion it feels like it, just a description of a series of events with very little character or narrative to get me engaged. Very am dram feeling in places. 

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Seeing people commenting they find Galadriel unlikeable, that she's got an attitude etc like it's something new. I always felt the Elves thought they were superior to all the other races and that they felt the other races very existence was owed to them (with a few exceptions)

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1 hour ago, Boothjan said:

 

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The area they're digging up is what becomes Mordor

 


I assumed they were searching for: 

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The broken blade the kid found under his house in either episode 1 or 2.

 

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I can understand the reasons why if it has been changed, but is the race of ‘men’ (as described in the books) ever actually referred to by the word ‘human’? Galadriel’s shipwreck buddy said something like “it doesn’t do any harm to humans” and in the context of LOTR it sounded odd.

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@Waggo I won’t quote your post but is your spoiler a guess or is it the entire plot for this show? I assume the latter considering it is so specific - any chance of a spoiler warning on posts like this? E.g. “spoiler will ruin entire plot strand for non-lotr lorehounds”. 

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1 hour ago, Kingpin said:

@Waggo I won’t quote your post but is your spoiler a guess or is it the entire plot for this show? I assume the latter considering it is so specific - any chance of a spoiler warning on posts like this? E.g. “spoiler will ruin entire plot strand for non-lotr lorehounds”. 


wouldn’t have thought it a spoiler given that Galadriel realised

 

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The symbol was a map

 

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1 hour ago, scottcr said:


wouldn’t have thought it a spoiler given that Galadriel realised

 

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The symbol was a map

 


Apologies, I was unclear but I’m referring to to Waggo’s post on the previous page where they said:

 

I think the actress who plays Galadriel is absolutely nailing it, and the amount of superiority and arrogance she displays even in unfavourable situations is perfect for where I think they are taking her role.

 

The spoiler after that paragraph is the one I’m questioning. 

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On 10/09/2022 at 12:22, wev said:

Seeing people commenting they find Galadriel unlikeable, that she's got an attitude etc like it's something new. I always felt the Elves thought they were superior to all the other races and that they felt the other races very existence was owed to them (with a few exceptions)

 

Yeah I agree, theirs is such a weird take. 

 

Firstly it's Galadriel. IT'S GALADRIEL.

Secondly, Galadriel is an elf. AN ELF.
Thirdly, she's an elf with a chip on her shoulder about the unjust death of a loved one. CHIP ON SHOULDER.

Fourthly, and this is the craziest bit of all. TV SHOW CHARACTERS HAVE ARCS AND DEVELOP AS TIME GOES ON. Methinks a lot of these chuds are too used to Marvel characters who have almost no character development over a decade and all tend to speak with the same quippy voice.

 

These same guys would bail on Breaking Bad in episode one because Walter was too much of a "cuck" probably.

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This thread is wild. Am I the only one watching this that hasn't read the books? I saw the films once over 10 years ago and can't remember shit about them either. Galadriel is different wah wah.

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I think virtually everyone complaining about "bad writing" and "not like the books" has never read the books. They're just throwing around crowd-sourced workshopped complaints. I've even seen people complaining about "Tolkeen spinning in his grave"

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1 hour ago, Kingpin said:

Ok, thank you @Thor. Sorry for any doubt@Waggo.

 

I can't tell what is what when it comes to lore deep cuts and knowledgeable speculation :facepalm:  I will bow out of the thread now and enjoy the show as an ignorant casual :lol:


Yeah sorry for any confusion I have no inside knowledge whatsoever.  
 

I read LOTR and The Hobbit as a kid 30 odd years ago, but none of the other stuff Tolkien wrote, and obviously I have seen the Peter Jackson films, but that is the total extent of my understanding of the lore behind the show.  
 

So yeah pure speculation on my part.

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My son complained the dialog was all lumpy and explaining the plot to you. Until I pointed out that to be honest, it's just like Tolkien wrote it.

 

It's fun and stupid and the lord of Dinglbong, son of Bringlypool, hair to the city of Clingglypoo, who wields the egg whisk of Asnagar the soul biter etc etc  Dialog is not what you come to middle earth for really

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Finally got around to the third ep.  Still loving it. Still anoyed by the title reveal on the intro. Very 1990's US sitcom, but that's a minor gripe.

 

I'm loving Numenor. Looks like an awesome place to go holiday: (lore spoiler)

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Kind've a shame with what's coming.

 

 There are some snippets of dialogue which are just lazy, though. The meeting between Tar-Miriel and Galadrial that went south quicker than Gandalf looking for Saruman (I won't apologise) and Celebrimbor just whacking Elrond over the head with his inner desires are the two that stand out, but they're few and far between and don't ruin anything.

 

 

On 10/09/2022 at 06:42, Flanders said:

But the biggest excitement in this episode was all around Halbrand:

 

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He’s Sauron isn’t he? Good-looking, silver tongued, suppressed violence, wants to get forging. Or do we think it’s a misdirect?

 

 

On 10/09/2022 at 08:03, scottcr said:

An awesome episode

 

 

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Halbrand is Sauron right???

 

 

(Lore spoiler)

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He can't be. Sauron does go to Numenor, but as a captive after having created the rings and fought a whole war against Numenor in Middle Earth.

 

On 10/09/2022 at 19:23, Jamie John said:

 

I think the Harfoots are ancestors of the Hobbits. One of them is called Brandyfoot, like Brandybuck in the trilogy.

 

They are. They arose in the east and moved west over the centuries.  During either the latter part of the 2nd age or the first part of the third they they would cross the Misty Mountains and settle in Arnor, and would eventually fight alongside humans and elves against the Witchking of Angmar, and would be gifted the land that would become The Shire for their aid. Some would stay on the east of the Misty Mountains and the around the Andiun River though,  where one group would eventually produce Smeagol, which would lead to shenanigans.

 

The one change from the lore to the show that's bother me, and one that for some reasons the chadbros seem entirely ok with, is that the Numenorians are supposed to be built like Space Marines. They're supposed to be remarkably bigger and stronger than the normal human, in addition to being really long lived.

 

I understand why this isn't in the show, so I'm not fussed that much, but I love how not one of the people whining about black elves and dwarves not respecting Tolkien or some bullshit have entirely missed this quite clear cut omission from the world. It's almost as if they don't know what they're talking about.

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@Mikes are your spoilers from books?

 

In general Could people who know the lore spoiler it - it's fun for both readers and non readers chat about the differences. It's just good for people to know if it's speculative or lore before clicking.

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20 minutes ago, Delargey said:

@Mikes are your spoilers from books?

 

In general Could people who know the lore spoiler it - it's fun for both readers and non readers chat about the differences. It's just good for people to know if it's speculative or lore before clicking.

 

It is, and you're right, apologies. I'll mark lore spoilers as such.

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