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I’m trying to think of a character or plot line I’m actually interested in or care about but nope. I’ve watched 5 hrs and have nothing to say.  Everyone is just oddly petulant at best - the humans are all grumpy/worried and self centred, the elves all haughty/moody and self centred, the dwarfs are all distrusting and self centred, the hobbits are all grumpy/worried and self centred.  Maybe that’s the point but it does not make interesting viewing.

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I have absolutely no problem with the pace, and think all the strands are coming together nicely. It’s early days for a lot of the characters but I’m really intrigued with how they’re going to develop. It reminds me of watching early GOT where every time it changes location I find myself excited to see how that storyline is progressing.

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I actually think this is much better than I thought it would be.

 

Never read any Tolkein aside from the main 4 books and I think I'm glad, as I'm going in blind and if it deviates from his other works, it's no issue at all for me.

 

This is great. It's building nicely, it looks utterly ridiculous and I'm actually enjoying the pacing. 

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2 hours ago, Bazjam said:

I have absolutely no problem with the pace, and think all the strands are coming together nicely. It’s early days for a lot of the characters but I’m really intrigued with how they’re going to develop. It reminds me of watching early GOT where every time it changes location I find myself excited to see how that storyline is progressing.

 

First five episodes of GoT

 

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Bran pushed from a roof

Lady is killed

Ned figures out Joffery is not Roberts son

Catelyn captures Tyrion

Danny is pregnant

Jon goes through an entire arc of not being accepted and saving Sam

 

Probably more.

 

Think of the list of great, memorable minor characters that appear in those episodes, some which go onto big parts and some that don't like Syrio.

 

The first season of GoT is insanely good. Stuff happens every episode. There are multiple interesting threads. There are tons of really compelling characters. 

 

This isn't terrible and has a bit of intrigue but GoT season 1 is lightyears ahead of this.

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23 minutes ago, kensei said:

 

First five episodes of GoT

 

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Bran pushed from a roof

Lady is killed

Ned figures out Joffery is not Roberts son

Catelyn captures Tyrion

Danny is pregnant

Jon goes through an entire arc of not being accepted and saving Sam

 

Probably more.

 

Think of the list of great, memorable minor characters that appear in those episodes, some which go onto big parts and some that don't like Syrio.

 

The first season of GoT is insanely good. Stuff happens every episode. There are multiple interesting threads. There are tons of really compelling characters. 

 

This isn't terrible and has a bit of intrigue but GoT season 1 is lightyears ahead of this.

I wasn’t comparing the two in terms of wow moments per episode, I’m saying that I have a similar enjoyment in watching the strands develop and come together. I love GOT, but I don’t want every show I watch to be full of OMG moments and cliff hangers. 
 

If the pace and approach to storytelling of this reminds me of anything, it’s probably Tolkiens writing. Which obviously is a good thing all considered.

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How many episodes are planned this series?

 

I might just skip the rest and watch a catch up if series 2 actually gets interesting. 

 

It's so bland. 

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2 hours ago, jonamok said:

Well, I bloody love it. Every sumptuous, achingly serious minute, and all of Durin’s levity. It’s grand.

 

Yes, it's grand in the literal sense. I think everyone thinks it should flow like GoT, for some insane reason.

 

Anyone who expected an LoTR show to be dragon Eastenders is nuts. Different beasts entirely.

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16 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Spoiler, nobody gets their cock out in this either. 

 

To be honest, if Galadriel did get her meat and two veg out it would be a mighty impressive diversion from the books. 

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3 hours ago, Bazjam said:

I wasn’t comparing the two in terms of wow moments per episode, I’m saying that I have a similar enjoyment in watching the strands develop and come together. I love GOT, but I don’t want every show I watch to be full of OMG moments and cliff hangers. 
 

If the pace and approach to storytelling of this reminds me of anything, it’s probably Tolkiens writing. Which obviously is a good thing all considered.

 

It's less about the cliff hangers - that's just to show that significant stuff is happening and the fact the narrative has life. There's a bit of intrigue and mystery here which they are layering on but not much seems to have actually happened and particularly with Galadriel it feels like plot happens to walk her about the map. GoT has a lot of quite compelling minor characters and I don't think there are anywhere near as many here. Ar Pharazon is the only one that has really grabbed me. 

 

I think Tolkien's writing gets a bad wrap. It can be slow - and LoTR starts pretty slowly, but it can also.be quite compelling. Here's him reading the Ride of the Rohirrim

 

 

Lord of the Rings picks up as it goes. Just saying this needs to as well. So many shows spend a lot of time setting up intrigue and are wrecked by no payoff.

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Spoilers for where this is all going, which won't be spoilers for anyone whose read the source material:

 

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Before this started I read that they were planning on showing an accelerated version of the 2nd age - so is that all within this season? In other words are we expecting this season to take us up to the fall of Numenor ? Or the Last Alliance? Seems unlikely they can fit that all into the next five episodes! (Assuming there are going to be 10). 

 

Or is this already planned out as a five-season epic? 

 

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14 hours ago, DualSense said:

About mithril…

 

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Does mithril containing the light of a Silmaril have any basis in Tolkien lore?  I noted that they mention a Silmaril but not what that actually is assume because they don’t have the rights.

 

 

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It doesn't. The location of the three silmarils are accounted for.... ish. One is a star in the sky, the other two were thrown into the ocean and another into a fiery chasm. Neither fot eh second two were confirmed as destroyed, though, and both happened in the end fot he first age. Gievn the show takes place midway through the second age.

 

I took the tale to be just that -  a tale. As Elrond said, "It is said". The main reason is the timing. There's no time between the losing of the two silmarils and the show to have a silmaril found and fought over, also, there's no record of any balrogs in the 2nd age. They were all either killed in the final battle of the first or went into hiding. However, the balrogs would loom large in elven folklore. Just see Legolas' reaction in Moria when Gandalg says the word - even he - an elf born long after the first age - kne what one was. Having something that is almost an ultimate nightmare for an elf to be involved in a creation myth of an object very important to their race makes sense.

 

And that is / could be what Mithril is. Tolken never goes into what mithril exactly is, not where it comes from. Saying it's just an ore, but one with extra ordinary properties.  How extraordinary? Well, Sauron himself is explicitly noted to "covet" it, and sought to gather as much as the ore as he could to himself. That suggests it has some kind of quality not made explicit, but implied. Elves are linked directly to nature and magic. Their fading at the end of the third age with the destruction of the Ring and it releasing its magic shows that. If Mithril has some kind of magical property, it could very well provide the elves with an anchor for their lifeforce , and would fit in with the world at large, and would warrant a creation myth.

 

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1 hour ago, Anne Summers said:

Spoilers for where this is all going, which won't be spoilers for anyone whose read the source material:

 

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Before this started I read that they were planning on showing an accelerated version of the 2nd age - so is that all within this season? In other words are we expecting this season to take us up to the fall of Numenor ? Or the Last Alliance? Seems unlikely they can fit that all into the next five episodes! (Assuming there are going to be 10). 

 

Or is this already planned out as a five-season epic? 

 

 

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I read four seasons, but it could be five. Ad yes, they're accelerating the timeline a little. The coinciding of two Durins at once is the biggest example.

 

My money is on the reveal of Sauron will be the end of this season, with perhaps the fall of Numenor the end of the 2nd.  The last Alliance would have to be the final season because, well, that's the end of the second age,

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I’m hoping at the end of the series it’s revealed when the camera pans back it’s Frodo sat at his desk writing, fade to black,  then a scene with Galadriel reading said book in front of a roaring fire, she suddenly turns into her scary shadow form and casts the book into the flames and she roars…”Frodo you fucking hack that’s not how it happened at all”.  The end. 

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Me and the boy are really enjoying this - there's a slow boil to it, but we know it's all going to end up absolutely EPIC with mahoosive battles and lots of people dying, lots of characters becoming evil Nazgul and everything going to shit.  

 

I'm genuinely intrigued by The Stranger now... my son was (and still is) convinced he's Gandalf, but I'm not so sure now... 

 

My pal reckons Halbrand will turn out to be the Witch King of Angmar, which is maybe more likely than Sauron.

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2 hours ago, scottcr said:

Me and the boy are really enjoying this - there's a slow boil to it, but we know it's all going to end up absolutely EPIC with mahoosive battles and lots of people dying, lots of characters becoming evil Nazgul and everything going to shit.  

 

I'm genuinely intrigued by The Stranger now... my son was (and still is) convinced he's Gandalf, but I'm not so sure now... 

 

My pal reckons Halbrand will turn out to be the Witch King of Angmar, which is maybe more likely than Sauron.

 

I reckon the Stranger is 

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Radagast

 

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On 25/09/2022 at 23:06, Anne Summers said:

Spoilers for where this is all going, which won't be spoilers for anyone whose read the source material:

 

  Hide contents

Before this started I read that they were planning on showing an accelerated version of the 2nd age - so is that all within this season? In other words are we expecting this season to take us up to the fall of Numenor ? Or the Last Alliance? Seems unlikely they can fit that all into the next five episodes! (Assuming there are going to be 10). 

 

Or is this already planned out as a five-season epic? 

 

It's

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a multiple season arc telling the entirety of the Second Age as they have the rights to it. They've condensed the timeline significantly - the Second Age takes place over thousands of years, this is basically shoving the entirety of the big events into a single generation of men. Which somewhat changes the nature of things - Numenor falls largely because it over thousands of years of success and greatness slowly goes evil as it believes it's own hype and turns on the gods, eventually being led by someone who wants to defy death. All whilst sweet nothings are whispered in their ears. Here we will have that happen at turbo speed.

 

Of course there's also not really enough content there to support multiple series of a TV show that people would actually watch, so this also is shoving in new stuff at a rate of knots to pad it out and create something that's viable as a big budget entertainment show.

 

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1 minute ago, Girth Certificate said:

it feels like Sauron is going to show up and be all like 'wanna be baddies' and half the world is gonna be all like 'yeah mate' and then a fortnight later they'll have a big fight and bust the ring.

 

I imagine they'll change things up quite a bit 

 

LORE SPOILERS WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE ON THE TELLY

 

Spoiler

as soon as an elf called 'Annatar' appears we'll all be Leo De Caprioing at our screens... so it's not going to be that.  

 

as soon as a friendly person starts working with Celebrimbor on the makings of the rings... we'll be doing the same.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Celebrimbor IS Sauron and the telly combines their characters together - or at least at some point, Celebrimbor is replaced by Sauron taking his form - where did he get the idea for his massive forge from?

 

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19 minutes ago, Girth Certificate said:

it feels like Sauron is going to show up and be all like 'wanna be baddies' and half the world is gonna be all like 'yeah mate' and then a fortnight later they'll have a big fight and bust the ring.

If it's fitting in with the traditionalist view of the lore, Sauron will be all 'wannabe baddies' and the entire career who isn't pasty white will get their evil on.

 

I can imagine YouTube will be massively onboard when Lenny Henry and Arondyr switch allegiances to Mordor.

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