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Hmm, I really don't like this so far. Guns do fuck all damage, fannies jumping around like it's halo 2, doesn't have that crisp feel of the older games. 

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I leave a game if there's a quick scoper. I respect the skill but sucks the fun out of the game for me.

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4 hours ago, Nobuo's Organ said:

Regular multiplayer needs a Middlecore mode with half the TTK. Running and gunning with SMGs isn't much fun in this.

 

Try the second one with a grip or two.

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COD Points have been updated into the game!  You can buy Tiers in the Black Market for 100 COD points (equivalent of $1), so theoretically it will cost you around $200 to unlock the mastercraft ICR at Tier 200!!!!  Absolutely ridiculous!  And they've purposely made it so you rank up the tiers quite slowly so you will have to buy COD points in order to unlock everything before Operation First Strike ends.

 

Also, you can buy Rare and Legendary contracts for specialists to unlock items and gestures for them (which only last two days I believe), but even when you buy them you will still need to grind up tiers to actually unlock the content.  On the plus side, once you have bought them, you can take as long as you want to unlock the contents, but you can only rank up one at a time.

 

Blackjack's Store is still not open - people are saying that's where the weapon variants and cosmetics will probably come in.

 

Basically, Activision and Treyarch are gonna make fuckloads of money.  Here's a video that explains it better:

 

 

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Just like Black Ops 3 then. TBH we knew it was coming, although I'm kind of surprised they've gone for the tier monetisation instead of a 'battle pass'. 

 

EDIT: after watching that video a) from a business point of view this is actually genius  and b) from a consumer point of view this is pure bullshit. So it's £50 (for the sake of argument) for the game, £40 for the season pass and then lots of microtransactions done in a confusing manner to get some cool skins and stuff.

I'm all down for costumes, skins, cosmetic bullshit and all that but I'm not overly enamoured with the notion that if you want to get some of these you have to buy them in the window of opportunity that they present and then grind the living shit out of them to unlock them ONE AT A TIME OR pay to get the tiers.

It's such a cynical move. I'm pretty sure only Activision and CoD could get away with this much though.

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That monetisation is as horrific as Battlefront. This should be an outrage.

 

Every 50 days they release a new selection, which require roughly 800 MP games or £80 to unlock.

 

That’s far, far more expensive than Fortnite and Fortnite is a free game.

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It's just cosmetic items? Nobody should be paying anything for them ever. 

 

I wish everyone else voted with their feet. 

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Thing is people are already invested in it, so no fucker's going to leave. Activision are laughing their tits off because they kept all this shit under wraps until people had forked out for the game and it'll probably fly under the radar now. It's the paying real money for the operator skins that's hilarious/fucking awful because not only are you basically paying for a cosmetic bundle you have to work to unlock all the shit you've just paid for!

The argument will be made it's just cosmetic shit and you don't have to buy it, but it's still a complete shitheel move.

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Hang on. You can see exactly what you're getting in these, right? So they're not actually loot boxes. So they can't be held to task by countries that say loot boxes are gambling. 

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36 minutes ago, moosegrinder said:

Hang on. You can see exactly what you're getting in these, right? So they're not actually loot boxes. So they can't be held to task by countries that say loot boxes are gambling. 

 

Yeah so every 50 days they release 200 items, earnt incrementally via levelling up tiers. Thr most desirable, an exclusive Blackout skin, is at lvl 200. It takes maybe 4 games/an hour to advance 1 tier. Maybe more. Or pay the equivalent of 90p to advance 1 tier.

 

So: 

BO4 game: £50

Battle pass: 200 items, 200 hours playtime or there’s a bundle for £85. 

 

Compared to:

Fortnite: Free

Battle Pass: £8 initial charge which can optionally roll over to subsequent seasons. Much easier to progress as items earnt by completing tasks in-game, not playtime. They do a deal once a season to advance 10 tiers for another £8, and give you 5 for free if you owned the previous pass, otherwise it’s around £80 for a bundle to unlock most tiers.

 

I think I’ll ignore the Black Market in BO4. It also makes it less likely I’ll keep the game, will probably rinse it for a few weeks and sell before xmas.

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It doesn't affect me, I won't buy anything that gives cosmetic items but I'll keep playing the game. I don't really understand why anyone's prepared to pay anything for them but is the issue that the publisher wants to charge too much for them, not that they want to charge at all?

 

Further to this Odyssey of alienation, I really don't understand why there are gestures in the game, I've never seen anyone use one, or understand when you'd have opportunity to. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

It doesn't affect me, I won't buy anything that gives cosmetic items but I'll keep playing the game. I don't really understand why anyone's prepared to pay anything for them but is the issue that the publisher wants to charge too much for them, not that they want to charge at all?

 

Further to this Odyssey of alienation, I really don't understand why there are gestures in the game, I've never seen anyone use one, or understand when you'd have opportunity to. 

 

 

It's just how the perception of it has changed. I expected something like this, and I've paid for loot boxes in many games before, so to me it just seems like a shitty way of doing it. I LIKE battle passes. I LIKE meaningless cosmetic shit. I LIKE supporting games after release if it means they keep giving me other content that isn't cosmetic, but to do it after a full price game, and a season pass and then paid microtransations just seems crap. And yes I realise I am the problem.

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1 hour ago, grindmouse said:

That monetisation is as horrific as Battlefront. This should be an outrage.

 

Every 50 days they release a new selection of which require roughly 800 MP games or £80 to unlock.

 

That’s far, far more expensive than Fortnite and Fortnite is a free game.

Pretty much this.

 

I thought the BO3 microtransactions/loot boxes were fine despite them featuring gameplay altering mechanics (in the form of actual rare weapons) but this is taking the piss. I'm the last person to whine about microtransactions and the like but this is inexcusable really. I mean we don't even get future content updates for free! 

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31 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

It doesn't affect me, I won't buy anything that gives cosmetic items but I'll keep playing the game. I don't really understand why anyone's prepared to pay anything for them but is the issue that the publisher wants to charge too much for them, not that they want to charge at all?

 

Yeah, it’s a full price £50 game charging more than a free game does for cosmetic downloads. I don’t mind them charging for cosmetic DLC, but this is a far worse and predatory implementation than Fortnite.

 

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Further to this Odyssey of alienation, I really don't understand why there are gestures in the game, I've never seen anyone use one, or understand when you'd have opportunity to. 

 

Because Fortnite has them. It makes sense in Fortnite because the game is third person and social, in that the tier challenges often encourage social activities and team mates often used gestures to communicate, mock and dance with one another. It’s one of the things Fortnite doesn’t get enough credit for.

 

They make fuck all sense in Blackout because it’s first person and there is no non-combative social element to the gameplay.

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I wonder if they'll climb down from the pricing in some way. 

 

I get that it's more expensive and I get that people like these things, but even if I wanted the skins and so on, it's the shooting that is the most important bit, right? Trading the game because despite it getting the shooting right, but the outfits wrong seems difficult to get onboard with. 

 

However, I can't be bothered with this stuff, even when it's all free and unlocked as part of playing the game. So I appreciate it's not that helpful for me to be saying "I don't like this, you shouldn't either!"

 

I do change Mario's outfits in Odyssey sometimes though.  

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19 minutes ago, grindmouse said:

Because Fortnite has them. It makes sense in Fortnite because the game is third person and social, in that the tier challenges often encourage social activities and team mates often used gestures to communicate, mock and dance with one another. It’s one of the things Fortnite doesn’t get enough credit for.

 

Gestures in COD predate Fortnite and were used previously in the winner’s circle at the end of a match to taunt the losers.

 

And in WWII, of course, you had the HQ social hub to hang out in.

 

So they removed all that from this but kept the gestures because profit.

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27 minutes ago, grindmouse said:

Because Fortnite has them. It makes sense in Fortnite because the game is third person and social

 

They make fuck all sense in Blackout because it’s first person and there is no non-combative social element to the gameplay.

It's because Overwatch btw. Which is first-person. 

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12 minutes ago, DC Lemon said:

 

Gestures in COD predate Fortnite and were used previously in the winner’s circle at the end of a match to taunt the losers. 

Yeah I hope they put that back in 'cause that was such a fun and smart way of implementing BM as a game mechanic lol. 

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56 minutes ago, VN1X said:

It's because Overwatch btw. Which is first-person. 

 

Emotes pre-date OW too, but yeah OW has a communal safe zone throughout the match where teammates can use their gestures / emotes, and like Fortnite has a more sociable audience.

 

Fortnite still deserves the credit though - the breadth and variety of communication gestures is huge and the battle tier tasks like treasure hunting, vehicle jumps and communal events like the rocket launch, encourage less aggressive sociable gaming.

 

I once lost a 1-on-1 in Fortnite and the guy dropped down behind me, held up a red card as I de-spawned.

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You’re an idiot if you pay money for a skin you can’t even see in the game, it’s a first person shooter, who cares what character you are :lol:

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26 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

You’re an idiot if you pay money for a skin you can’t even see in the game, it’s a first person shooter, who cares what character you are :lol:

Dunno man, I loved my Hearse skin for Reaper.

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Not that is makes it any better, but those who are really into a game to the point they want all the skins, are playing it to death, so will progress. The £80 for all the tiers, drops significantly I'd imagine. 

 

In saying that though, it is a shitty practice and I can't believe that despite Epic setting the blueprint on how to do this in a way that seems to find the right balance (whilst making them a shit ton of money) you still get the likes of Activision trying to push it even further to the point it becomes broken.  

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2 hours ago, Wahwah* said:

I wonder if they'll climb down from the pricing in some way. 

 

I get that it's more expensive and I get that people like these things, but even if I wanted the skins and so on, it's the shooting that is the most important bit, right? Trading the game because despite it getting the shooting right, but the outfits wrong seems difficult to get onboard with. 

 

I do change Mario's outfits in Odyssey sometimes though.  

 

The Battle Pass has been a huge factor in keeping me playing Fortnite. 

 

I think they need to increase the tier earned rate or combine it with challenges.

 

I admit I timed events and the psychology of FOMO are probably not a model to aspire to. Fortnite treads a fine line between value and exploitation. Think about the amount of free content Splatoon has had over two years.

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7 hours ago, moosegrinder said:

Just like Black Ops 3 then. TBH we knew it was coming, although I'm kind of surprised they've gone for the tier monetisation instead of a 'battle pass'. 

 

Monetisation has potentially unlimited upside as people can be induced to spend huge amounts of money in comparison to a pay once all-you-can-eat battle pass. How else did GTA V generate over $6 Billion and counting of lifetime revenue?, it certainly isn't from the £20 base game sales.

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