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4 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

I felt they were generally all good with the exception of Eternals and Wakanda Forever, Eternals was particularly bad. 

Spider-Man NWH was by far the best thing to come out of Phase 4. 

Individually, the films and TV series I mostly enjoyed, with the biggest problem being that it doesn't really feeling like it's moving towards anything of interest.

An Avengers film at the end of Phase 4 that brought things together is the missing piece imo.  

 

See I don't have the hate for Eternals that loads do. I have my issues with it but I appreciate it trying to do something a little different. Would have worked better as a TV show to start with where they could have focused on each character separately before throwing them all together as one. Or maybe they could have been placed around Phase 4 in various projects and theirs been the team up at the end (just in a better film). It's still rather dull and lower tier MCU mind and a post credit scene to introduce Harry Styles isn't something to get excited about.

 

Thor:L&T I've grown less and less fond of the more I talk about it. I didn't enjoy it much when I saw it but I dislike it even more now. I think after how good Ragnarok was, I was expecting this to be more of the same and be as enjoyable. But it was an absolute mess and wasted both Christian Bale and the character of Gorr.

 

The other films bar Spidey I found a mix bag of average with some good things amongst some rubbish.

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On 20/02/2023 at 16:22, Alex W. said:

Has there been even one good meme from this phase.


Phase 5 is off to a good start.

 

[Harmless still of Paul Rudd’s face from Quantumania without the context.]

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This little sequence is guaranteed to be a template  for some variation of  a “Did I leave the stove on?” GIF when it hits Disney+
 

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His lawyers seem confident of the charges being dropped imminently. They cite video footage from the vehicle, testimony from the driver and other witnesses and two written statements from the woman recanting the claim.

 

https://deadline.com/2023/03/jonathan-majors-lawyer-says-evidence-proving-actor-entirely-innocent-expects-charges-dropped-imminently-alleged-assault-1235310305/

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My wife wanted to watch No Way Home at the weekend as she hadn't seen it. I was genuinely embarrassed as she watched it - genuinely cringing at the 'jokes' and was thinking it was even worse than I remembered when, about an hour in, she turned to me and said, "Wow, this really isn't very good is it?"

 

Afterwards, she was asking why Dr. Strange was just an unlikeable prick in it, and she felt putting Holland, Mcguire and Garfield was a huge mistake as she really felt Mcguire felt like whatshername in Crystal Skull (just happy to be there) and that, beside Garfield, Holland felt charmless.

 

Having heard Holland being interviewed, charmless is a good description.

 

Anyway, she thought it was total rubbish and I thought it was even worse than I did before. There's so much dead air in the film. Oh and she watched the extended version, so there's some painful extra scenes that are excruciating to watch, one featuring Angourie Rice, who is amazing in Mare of Easttown, so it's not her that's bad.

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38 minutes ago, Festoon said:

My wife wanted to watch No Way Home at the weekend as she hadn't seen it. I was genuinely embarrassed as she watched it - genuinely cringing at the 'jokes' and was thinking it was even worse than I remembered when, about an hour in, she turned to me and said, "Wow, this really isn't very good is it?"

 

Afterwards, she was asking why Dr. Strange was just an unlikeable prick in it, and she felt putting Holland, Mcguire and Garfield was a huge mistake as she really felt Mcguire felt like whatshername in Crystal Skull (just happy to be there) and that, beside Garfield, Holland felt charmless.

 

Having heard Holland being interviewed, charmless is a good description.

 

Anyway, she thought it was total rubbish and I thought it was even worse than I did before. There's so much dead air in the film. Oh and she watched the extended version, so there's some painful extra scenes that are excruciating to watch, one featuring Angourie Rice, who is amazing in Mare of Easttown, so it's not her that's bad.

 

The Spider-man after Endgame is the last/latest MCU movie I saw and I thought it was alright, but I heard the more recent one was meant to be really good! Surprised to hear otherwise.

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Yeah I've not seen the extended version but the theatrical cut was a really nice celebration of both of the half decent Spider-Man trilogies that reframed the slightly shonky Far From Home thematically and did a really fun twist on the "with great power" thing. It's not perfect because it's an overstuffed MCU movie as they all are these days but it's head and shoulders above anything else Marvel have done since Endgame. 

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2 hours ago, SaintAnselm said:

I am with Festoon, No Way Home was fucking shite, with a paper-thin plot an an endless amount of pathetic fan-service.

 

The one before that wasn’t much better either to be honest.

 

The Europe one? Yeah, that was episodic at best and didn't hang together particularly well either. The 'comedy' schoolteachers are an example of comedy characters that have zero jokes in any of the films. Baffling,

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I fall somewhere in the middle on No Way Home. It’s fan service central and has a pretty thin actual plot, feeling more like a video game where a bunch of cool things are strung together with little effort to flow logically between them. Dr Strange is in it too much and he’s a proper moron who seems to be absolutely shit at his job. There’s too many villains and some are completely superfluous. I miss the supporting characters from the other two MCU Spidey films, the other students and the teachers.

 

On the other hand, it was lovely to see Garfield finally get to let loose as Spider-Man in a movie that wasn’t shit, and honestly I feel the same about Willem Defoe and Alfred Molina because I think the Raimi movies are shite. The stuff with Peter and May was really effective, all the stuff with the three Peters was brilliant and they had a really easy chemistry that was very charming. Toby Maguire even managed to seem likeable. It had a final battle that was actually readable and interesting, which is rare in Marvel movies. 
 

Ultimately, I think it’s fine. It’s probably the best of the post Endgame movies unless I’m forgetting something, but I like it a bit less than Far From Home and a lot less than Homecoming, which is still the high point of the whole MCU for me.

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13 hours ago, Festoon said:

My wife wanted to watch No Way Home at the weekend as she hadn't seen it. I was genuinely embarrassed as she watched it - genuinely cringing at the 'jokes' and was thinking it was even worse than I remembered when, about an hour in, she turned to me and said, "Wow, this really isn't very good is it?"

 

Afterwards, she was asking why Dr. Strange was just an unlikeable prick in it, and she felt putting Holland, Mcguire and Garfield was a huge mistake as she really felt Mcguire felt like whatshername in Crystal Skull (just happy to be there) and that, beside Garfield, Holland felt charmless.

 

Having heard Holland being interviewed, charmless is a good description.

 

Anyway, she thought it was total rubbish and I thought it was even worse than I did before. There's so much dead air in the film. Oh and she watched the extended version, so there's some painful extra scenes that are excruciating to watch, one featuring Angourie Rice, who is amazing in Mare of Easttown, so it's not her that's bad.

 

Dr. Strange being an unlikeable prick is literally his character. 

The first Dr. Strange is all about him being a super obnoxious rock-star surgeon who is humbled and his obnoxious facade melts away a little to show his humanity. 

 

That doesn't mean after one film he's forever changed into a different character (as so many people weirdly think is going back on character growth) so he's still obnoxious and arrogant to a degree, and has little patience. 

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6 hours ago, Broker said:

On the other hand, it was lovely to see Garfield finally get to let loose as Spider-Man in a movie that wasn’t shit

 

Yes, he was the highlight. His "Spider-Man 3" with a shrug is the funniest line they've had in an MCU film

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7 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

Dr. Strange being an unlikeable prick is literally his character. 

The first Dr. Strange is all about him being a super obnoxious rock-star surgeon who is humbled and his obnoxious facade melts away a little to show his humanity. 

 

That doesn't mean after one film he's forever changed into a different character (as so many people weirdly think is going back on character growth) so he's still obnoxious and arrogant to a degree, and has little patience. 

 

Not to this extent. He's a raging bellend in this. And he's completely stupid, which he wasn't before.

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1 hour ago, Festoon said:

 

Not to this extent. He's a raging bellend in this. And he's completely stupid, which he wasn't before.

Everyone was stupid in the film, the plot, of what little there was of one, was as dumb as they come, even by big budget Hollywood standards.

 

 

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Dr Strange is defacto leader of the Avengers at the moment I guess and I don’t really have a problem with that. His sequel was a disappointment, which is in keeping with his Stark mould.

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54 minutes ago, SaintAnselm said:

Everyone was stupid in the film, the plot, of what little there was of one, was as dumb as they come, even by big budget Hollywood standards.

 

 

 

Yeah, a lame tread through Spiderverse territory, except without good jokes and dull-looking.

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11 minutes ago, Protocol Penguin said:

Has Ant-Man 3 been Marvel Studios’ largest commercial flop? Looks like it has barely broken even.

 

It must be the biggest gap between expectations and reality, surely. Good - it's crap.

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