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22 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

 

Not really a meaningful analogy, all of those products have very distinctive names.

 

If there there was a Rice Krispies One X and Coco-Pops were named Rice Krispies Series X I can guarantee you there would be lots of children up and down the country upset because their milk didn't turning chocolatey.

Just like your Partridge image isn’t a meaningful analogy.

 

My point was that it’s a pretty simple naming system and you’d have to be incredibly stupid not to even do the slightest bit of research for a pretty expensive purchase like a console.

 

It’s just typical internet nonsense though, isn’t it? MS are getting stick for having an oh-so-confusing naming system, while Sony are getting stick for just swapping the 4 in the logo for a 5. Outrage everywhere!

 

I’m sure they’ll both be fine.

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51 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

 

Not really a meaningful analogy, all of those products have very distinctive names.

 

If there there was a Rice Krispies One X and Coco-Pops were named Rice Krispies Series X I can guarantee you there would be lots of children up and down the country upset because their milk didn't turning chocolatey.

Again with the insinuation that parents are seemingly unable to tell the difference between words.  
 

it’s just utter bollocks . 
 

“Make sure you get Series one x and not one x “

“ ok”

 

” I mean it , don’t make that mistake again when you weNt to buy iPhone Xs and came back with iPhone XR “


“...that didn’t happen “

 

”oh yeah”

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3 minutes ago, JPL said:

Just like your Partridge image isn’t a meaningful analogy.

 

My point was that it’s a pretty simple naming system and you’d have to be incredibly stupid not to even do the slightest bit of research for a pretty expensive purchase like a console.

 

It’s just typical internet nonsense though, isn’t it? MS are getting stick for having an oh-so-confusing naming system, while Sony are getting stick for just swapping the 4 in the logo for a 5. Outrage everywhere!

 

I’m sure they’ll both be fine.

 

Partridge image?

 

Don't think there's any outrage, not sure why mildly critical observations of Microsoft have to be seen through this prism of a persecution complex on behalf of a multinational corporation.

 

I don't think the naming for their next gen console does enough to differentiate it from the previous model, not an especially contentious opinion - nor is it especially damning. This proved to be problematic for the Wii/Wii U. I'd be surprised if Microsoft don't remedy this prior to launch but unlikely to be the end of the world if they don't.

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Just to say, if you're counting the original Xbox One and the One S, you need to include the original PS4 and PS4 slim. 

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The Wii-Us shite marketing is what caused most of the confusion. The name played a part but even the initial reveal at E3 of the Wii-U left some people confused about whether it was a full on new console or some fancy accessory. 

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7 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

 

Partridge image?

 

Don't think there's any outrage, not sure why mildly critical observations of Microsoft have to be seen through this prism of a persecution complex on behalf of a multinational corporation.

 

I don't think the naming for their next gen console does enough to differentiate it from the previous model, not an especially contentious opinion - nor is it especially damning. This proved to be problematic for the Wii/Wii U. I'd be surprised if Microsoft don't remedy this prior to launch but unlikely to be the end of the world if they don't.

The image you posted was of Partridge on The Day Today.

 

There’s no persecution complex here either. I find it all quite amusing actually. As long as I don’t end up unboxing a brand new One X come November! :facepalm:

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Do people with a Tesla Model X or Model S actually pronounce the ‘model’ part?

 

I would think they refer to it as ‘my Tesla’ or ‘my X’. With the formal ‘Model’ part reserved for particular occasions when you have to be accurate for some reason (talking with people who dont know what a Tesla is in the first place).

 

For me, this is just going to be the new X model of the xbox.

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Even worse, Game will probably have bundles for both consoles with exactly the same games. Various kids will go blind having to play Gears 9 in patchwork 4k instead of real 4k and it'll be all MS's fault.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, APM said:

Just to say, if you're counting the original Xbox One and the One S, you need to include the original PS4 and PS4 slim. 

 

Nope, because the PS4 slim is just marketed as the PS4.

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1 minute ago, petrolgirls said:

 

I didn't post that.

Oh right, yeah! These bloody confusing usernames!

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I have decided i wont get the new xbox (Been there day one if every console since the beginning) for at least 18 months after release, if ever. My X will do until some exclusives come out. 

 

Going for the PS5 instead (Not had a Playstation console day one since the 1st) the prospect of some exclusive games and playing a bunch of games that came out on PS4 that i missed this gen is too enticing. Also that im fully into VR now since getting a Quest and if the recent patents about a new wireless VR set for PS5 are true then i can see it maybe being my only console.

 

I wont be alone in this thinking i bet.

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3 minutes ago, RYAN WHITELAW said:

Going for the PS5 instead

What exclusive game is launching with?

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1 hour ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Couldn't agree more. 1440p looks gorgeous, anything higher than that and you're well into the diminishing returns. And at a disproportionately huge cost to performance. Sadly, 4k is the buzzword du jour so they're going to want to put that on the box.

 

So when Sony went with checkerboard 4K with the PS4 Pro at £349 and Microsoft released a more powerful system aimed at native 4K with the Xbox One X at £449, who made the correct business decision do you think?

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I'm sure I've already seen the specialist press refer to it as the "XBox One Series X" rather than "XBox Series X", but I'm sure any temporary nominclative headaches will be worth it in the long run if it makes sense as part of Microsoft's vision of an endless series of mutually-compatible consoles. It's a trade-off but I'm not sure it's a bad one?

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The thing about parents being confused isnt going to be an issue. No one is going to buy an X for their kids, theyre going to buy a Nintendo or a Playstation.

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8 minutes ago, Super Craig said:

 

Nope, because the PS4 slim is just marketed as the PS4.

Do Microsoft still advertise the original build of the Xbox One? 

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7 minutes ago, RYAN WHITELAW said:

I have decided i wont get the new xbox (Been there day one if every console since the beginning) for at least 18 months after release, if ever. My X will do until some exclusives come out. 

 

Going for the PS5 instead (Not had a Playstation console day one since the 1st) the prospect of some exclusive games and playing a bunch of games that came out on PS4 that i missed this gen is too enticing. Also that im fully into VR now since getting a Quest and if the recent patents about a new wireless VR set for PS5 are true then i can see it maybe being my only console.

 

I wont be alone in this thinking i bet.

 

How many times are you going to post this in the next year? :P

 

Im getting a PS5 day 1, cant wait. Ive been out of the playstation loop for almost the entire PS4 gen and really looking forward to getting one again. Always had a playstation before this gen.

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7 minutes ago, Orbital2060 said:

 

How many times are you going to post this in the next year? :P

 

Im getting a PS5 day 1, cant wait. Ive been out of the playstation loop for almost the entire PS4 gen and really looking forward to getting one again. Always had a playstation before this gen.

Oh have i? Sorry, my brain is fucked and i forget things. Seriously :)

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11 minutes ago, AI1 said:

 

So when Sony went with checkerboard 4K with the PS4 Pro at £349 and Microsoft released a more powerful system aimed at native 4K with the Xbox One X at £449, who made the correct business decision do you think?

Microsoft, because I don't think the Pro is a significant enough upgrade. The X imho is, especially compared to the og Xbox One. More power is better. Would have been even better at 1440p with more details/effects/draw distance/pretty things/performance instead of native 4k. 

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12 minutes ago, RYAN WHITELAW said:

Oh have i? Sorry, my brain is fucked and i forget things. Seriously :)

No, just anticipating a lot of people on forums making their minds up in public, up to several times.

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1 hour ago, JPL said:

Just like your Partridge image isn’t a meaningful analogy.

 

My point was that it’s a pretty simple naming system and you’d have to be incredibly stupid not to even do the slightest bit of research for a pretty expensive purchase like a console.

 

It’s just typical internet nonsense though, isn’t it? MS are getting stick for having an oh-so-confusing naming system, while Sony are getting stick for just swapping the 4 in the logo for a 5. Outrage everywhere!

 

I’m sure they’ll both be fine.

I don't know why this point is being argued when it happened with the Wii U. Clear product identity is crucial in retail

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1 hour ago, PeteBrant said:

Again with the insinuation that parents are seemingly unable to tell the difference between words.  
 

it’s just utter bollocks . 
 

“Make sure you get Series one x and not one x “

“ ok”

 

” I mean it , don’t make that mistake again when you weNt to buy iPhone Xs and came back with iPhone XR “


“...that didn’t happen “

 

”oh yeah”


I think you’re underestimating how easy it is to make these kinds of mistakes when you honestly don’t care about something. 
 

I recently bought a mattress and when it came time to order couldn’t remember whether it was the mirapocket 1000 or pocket 1000 I had tried in the shop, because I don’t care about mattresses and didn’t know the one I hadn’t tried even existed when it came time to order. 
 

There’s probably someone on a bed forum somewhere arguing that no one is possibly stupid enough to mix up mirapocket with pocket. 
 

 

The idea that someone could never mix up Series X with One X, when you don’t care about video games and are only half listening to your irritating child anyway, doesn’t strike me as reasonable. 

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5 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:


I think you’re underestimating it is how to make these kinds of mistakes when you honestly don’t care about something. 
 

I recently bought a mattress and when it came time to order couldn’t remember whether it was the mirapocket 1000 or pocket 1000 I had tried in the shop, because I don’t care about mattresses and didn’t know the one I hadn’t tried even existed when it came time to order. 
 

There’s probably someone on a bed forum somewhere arguing that no one is possibly stupid enough to mix up mirapocket with pocket. 

Why would you not care about buying something your child has specifically asked for ?

or that you specifically want ?
 

do you think you’ll pay more attention when you go to buy a console ? Or do you think you’ll say “ hmm not sure which one it was I wanted.. fuck it I’ll just have this one “

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11 minutes ago, Uzi said:

Thats one specific example. Against a tide of god knows how many products that have named a successor or alternative in a similar nomenclature

 

I mean you have it literally in the same gen? Did you think there was a likely confusion between Xbox One S and XboxOne X. If so, why not for Iphone XS an XR, or are those ok?

 

WiiU is one specific poorly handled example; they didn;t get the message across. It doesn't mean that all future similar name changes will end up the same way. Its means you have a blueprint of how not to do it.

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39 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

The idea that someone could never mix up Series X with One X, when you don’t care about video games and are only half listening to your irritating child anyway, doesn’t strike me as reasonable. 

 

I'm not even sure the biggest issue is around whether you mix up what you buy - I think I agree that's going to be a relatively rare occurrence.

 

What's more problematic is ambiguity in the eyes of consumers when they look into buying a Series X. Not being sure whether a product is what you're actually looking for when it isn't clearly defined from its previous model, where you're not exactly sure what games it plays or whether there's any need to upgrade from your current model means, rather than mistakenly buy the wrong thing,  you're simply less likely to buy it in the first place.

 

I can see the logic behind them using 'series' in trying to stress the continuation from last gen to next but think it might be fraught with messaging issues.

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39 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

The idea that someone could never mix up Series X with One X, when you don’t care about video games and are only half listening to your irritating child anyway, doesn’t strike me as reasonable. 

Yeah, that doesnt happen. Any more than it does with specific Lego, or specific power ranger or whatever other specific item a child has written on the Christmas list.

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1 minute ago, petrolgirls said:

 

What's more problematic is ambiguity in the eyes of consumers when they look into buying a Series X. Not being sure whether a product is what you're actually looking for when it isn't clearly defined from its previous model, where you're not exactly sure what games it plays or whether there's any need to upgrade from your current model means, rather than mistakenly buy the wrong thing,  you're simply less likely to buy it in the first place..

WHo do you think are likely to be early adopters of Series X? Do you think they might have an idea of what they are buying?

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1 hour ago, APM said:

Do Microsoft still advertise the original build of the Xbox One? 

 

Not now. Not going to matter when you've got an OG model and been asked to get a Series S though.

 

I get people sent into my shop with badly taken screenshots where you can't make out enough to actually figure out what they've been sent in for. And I get people sent in who have been told exactly what to get and misremember what they've been asked to get. Some people will argue the toss with me that they've been definitely sent to my shop even though we don't sell the thing. As if I somehow wouldn't know.

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